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Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by masklinn »

eitally wrote: post #206
masklinn wrote: post #126

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https://www.apple.com/mac/compare/?modelList=MacBook-Air-M4,... - m4 -> m5, same core number and distribution, "neural accelerators", higher memory bandwidth - max storage increased from 2 to 4TB (and probably an extra kidney in price) Everything else is strictly identical. The marketing blurb claims 2~3x the performances of the M4 for AI stuff (I assume that's the neural accelerators), 20% for CPU tasks (compiling),…

This is great but it's apples to oranges until they have Pro & Max variants we can directly compare against the M4 line.

Comparing the models which correspond exactly is apples and oranges? In what wonky alternate reality do you live?

Not to mention the M4 pro and max released 6 months after the M4. If that holds for M5, it won’t be this year.

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Post by throwaway894345 »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #205

Am I remembering right that the previous 14" MacBook Pro started at $1399 (and seems to be no longer available?), so this is a $200 price increase? (I had just been looking at macs a few weeks ago, and had noticed how close in price macbook pro and macbook air were for same specs -- was thinking, really no reason not to get pro even if all I really want it for is the built-in HDMI. They are now more price differentia…

That would be about a 15% increase, which is probably in the ballpark to be explained by tariffs (either existing or anticipatory)?

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Post by leakycap »

mjamesaustin wrote: post #132
defraudbah wrote: post #76

it says "up to 14 hours more than intel based mpro", which means intel was designed to last 10 hours which matches what was advertised https://web.archive.org/web/20201109092341/https://www.apple... we went from 10 hours to 24 hours in 5 years - impressive i wonder why they advertise gaming on the laptop, anyone plays anything Meaningful on macbooks?

I play absolutely everything on my M1 Macbook Pro. Through Crossover, basically every Windows game runs fine. I used to check ahead of time before buying a game, but it's so good I now kind of just assume games work.

A NVIDIA 2080 graphics card from 2018 still surpasses the M5 for gaming. The M5 Pro coming early next year will likely finally catch up with the 8-year-old 2080.

I'm happy to hear your games work well for you, but it sounds like the games you're playing aren't demanding compared to modern AAA titles. Most games released in the last year or two don't run well on my 2080 test system at anything approaching decent graphics.

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Post by mholm »

leakycap wrote: post #171
jsheard wrote: post #74

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There was a 6 month gap between the M4 and M4 Pro, so maybe a while.

This gap makes no sense to me. I wonder if Apple is just leaning into this cycle because it's easier to make M5s than more advanced processors, so you can sell this sooner? From a buyer's perspective, I don't like it at all.

Different Chip SKUs are often a TON of work. By trying to release all of them at the same time, you'll have a chip pipeline where you need tons of work, all at the same time, all in the same stages of the process. By staggering them, you spread this work out across the year.

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Post by unshavedyak »

1-more wrote: post #97
unshavedyak wrote: post #72

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Seconded. I have a mostly CLI setup and in my experience Nix favors that on Mac, but nonetheless it makes my Nix and Linux setups a breeze. Everything is in sync, love it. Though if you don't like Nixlang it will of course be a chore to learn/etc. It was for me.

drop $20/month for any LLM and you don't even have to learn it!

Honestly it helped quite a bit. There are a lot of obscure (imo) errors in Nix that LLMs spot pretty quickly. I made quite a bit of progress since using them for this.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by leakycap »

nrjames wrote: post #119
defraudbah wrote: post #76

it says "up to 14 hours more than intel based mpro", which means intel was designed to last 10 hours which matches what was advertised https://web.archive.org/web/20201109092341/https://www.apple... we went from 10 hours to 24 hours in 5 years - impressive i wonder why they advertise gaming on the laptop, anyone plays anything Meaningful on macbooks?

I do almost all of my gaming on an M3 MacBook Air. It’s great for games. I’ll sometimes hop on Windows for titles unavailable on the Mac, but increasingly I just skip them if they aren’t on Steam for MacOS.

I get that it is good for some games, but when people say "gaming PCs" on Windows, they usually mean AAA titles. The stuff on endcaps at BestBuy for sale for PC and console. Those games won't run well on Macs unless you spend insane amounts on a Max or Ultra variant.

The M5's GPU specs seem to put it near a high-end NVIDIA card from 2018. Impressive as all get out for a power-friendly chip, but not really what I think of when I hear "good for gaming"

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Post by jayd16 »

konart wrote: post #67
jayd16 wrote: post #63

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There are surprisingly a lot of permission headaches and rug pulls in the last few big OS updates that have been really annoying.

Any examples? I've been using mbpr since 2014 and haven't seen any changes recently except you have to hit "allow" button a few times.

They're basically things along those lines. They're more nefarious when background services quietly error out and you need to dig to find it was a newly required permission.

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Post by leakycap »

youniverse wrote: post #109
defraudbah wrote: post #76

it says "up to 14 hours more than intel based mpro", which means intel was designed to last 10 hours which matches what was advertised https://web.archive.org/web/20201109092341/https://www.apple... we went from 10 hours to 24 hours in 5 years - impressive i wonder why they advertise gaming on the laptop, anyone plays anything Meaningful on macbooks?

I would guess they are mostly talking to game devs for now, but man in a few years if Apple can get me to throw out my windows rig that me and I imagine many others have around just for gaming I wouldn't hate that!

The gaming world is so deeply ingrained with Windows technologies. Even with the GPK from Apple, I don't see the mods and patches that some Windows players enjoy.

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Post by astrange »

sroussey wrote: post #49
lotsofpulp wrote: post #42

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…or they are still working on fine tuning/testing production of the world’s most technologically difficult thing to mass manufacture?

It takes 3 months to manufacture a chip end to end. If you find a hardware bug once complete, you have to start over and you end up with a three month delay. Looks like the Pro and Max will be on a three month delay.

If you find a hardware bug that late, you're not fixing it and you're looking for chicken bits to flip. It is /extremely/ expensive to validate changes and remake the masks.
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