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Re: American solar farms

#211
post #45

the sad thing about this data is how politicized clean energy has become. the blue states have a lot of energy solar - while the red ones are sparse. the red ones get a lot of sun while the blue ones don't.

The price of electricity in blue states has sky rocketed. Electricity in SF is now more than $0.50/kWh OFF peak. It is certainly not a coincidence that CalISO has contracted with the most solar generators.

It really is absurd how expensive our energy is across the state. Meanwhile Virginia gets electricity for 15 cents a kwh.

Notably, the municipal power companies mostly are far lower. It's PG&E and SoCal Edison who are that high, because they're shoving the costs of doing 75 years worth of deferred system maintenance all at once onto current ratepayers instead of their investors taking the hit. It's too bad that there wasn't a viable legal framework whereby the investor-owned utilties' shareholders could be wiped out as they deserved to be, and the utility infrastructure transferred to municipal ownership. Around PG&E's bankruptcy there were rumblings, but Sacramento couldn't figure out how to do it, so they propped them up and created a Wildfire Fund paid for by ratepayers to keep bailing them out.

Re: American solar farms

#212
post #29

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The only problem that I kind of understand are the huge fences surrounding the farms. Because copper thefts are a big problem for them, it is quite common to have 3m high fences all around, which is obviously more gated community like than a monoculture field. And of course, it depends on how the farm is run. Solar farms can be ecological heaven if managed properly, unless growing weeds are just killed of with round-…

How is that fence any different than the 3m high fence the deer breeder down the road has?

Idk, maybe 3mm wire of 15cm grid size vs. 6mm wire in a <=5cm grid. But I have never seen a big deer farm, that is probably also not so nice to have right next door. But what do I know, here in Scandinavia, you have the right to roam pretty much everywhere, makes countries with too many fences seem claustrophobic.

Re: American solar farms

#213
post #56

The arid and sunny west ware prime candidates for solar, yet the current administration is doing everything they can to further destroy any chance a future of being carbon neutral with cancellations of many projects. TFG cancelled a fairly far along project to build 6gw of solar in the Nevada desert just a few days ago known as Esmeralda 7. The ineptitude and grift of this administration will haunt this country for d…

There seems to be a decent counter argument about the size & impact to local environment. https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/massive-esmeralda-s... I do not have a side as I don't know enough.

I think every engineer knows that all things come with trade-offs.

A great engineer, however, is able to readily admit when one option among others has a far, far greater set of costs than another, for the exact same benefit.

And if said engineer can't decide (for claim of ignorance), they mature to learn that the experience and knowledge of others is the best source for understanding the trade-offs involved to make a decision.

I think its pretty clear solar power has trade-offs. I think it's also obvious solar has far less negatives than all other power generating sources.

Re: American solar farms

#214

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I had to google it and apparently the complaints are: Ruin the view, Lower property values, Habitat destruction, Noise from inverter fans

> Noise from inverter fans Not just the fans. The transformers, inductors, chokes, capacitors, etc can get extremely noisy as well. I have to plug my ears when I walk by the switchgear at my local Walmart's EV install because it is so loud. Any system that relies on high rate of change of current over time is prone to these issues. Look at the prevalence of coil whine in gaming PCs and workstations now. The level of…

So bury them? Is that not feasible for some reason?

Re: American solar farms

#215

My experience has been that people living next to newly constructed solar farms are unhappy about living next to a solar farm. It is also my experience that this is a fringe opinion because a very low percentage of people live next to solar farms.

Didn't Schelling have the answer to this?

Re: American solar farms

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post #204

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Let's test this idea and assume for a moment that sex exists on a spectrum. What specific criteria are you using to place individuals at different points on this spectrum, and how do you calculate if an individual is closer to one end or the other of this spectrum compared to another individual? Which evidence supports these decisions? Given that most species reproduce sexually, how does this concept work for the vas…

Sure! It's pretty trivial. I'm going to assume at least a high-school knowledge of math, since I'm assuming you're unfamiliar with terms like bimodal distribution, categorical data, et cetera. If you're interested in learning more, this kind of thing generally falls under statistics. So this boils down to the question of essentially "if everything is on a spectrum, how can we categorize it?" and the answer basically…

Just want you to know I appreciate all the hard work you’re putting into trying to educate somebody even if it is likely they will barely register it. I’m sure others like myself found the write up overall interesting and helpful.

Re: American solar farms

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post #204

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Sure! It's pretty trivial. I'm going to assume at least a high-school knowledge of math, since I'm assuming you're unfamiliar with terms like bimodal distribution, categorical data, et cetera. If you're interested in learning more, this kind of thing generally falls under statistics. So this boils down to the question of essentially "if everything is on a spectrum, how can we categorize it?" and the answer basically…

Just want you to know I appreciate all the hard work you’re putting into trying to educate somebody even if it is likely they will barely register it. I’m sure others like myself found the write up overall interesting and helpful.

Thanks! I find all this super interesting, and I hope other people do too! It's a pretty wild world out there.

Re: American solar farms

#218

Speculation: The biggest reason for solar farms often being unpopular with locals is that, socially , they feel like dystopian giga-scale machines. Serving some far-away, unfriendly power. Utterly disinterested in the welfare, or even lives, of the local populace. Vs. almost any other business (farm, mine, oil drilling, warehouse, whatever) would both hire far more local people, and interact far more with the local c…

Is it intentional that you're listing export-based business as "local" while that solar farm probably does supply the town? It's a beautiful contrast either way.

All the businesses produce fungible commodities, and feed those into distribution systems ~10000X larger than the town. So, socially, it does not matter where any given ear of corn, gallon of milk, or watt of electricity ends up.

Re: American solar farms

#219
post #66

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This is a very frivolous argument against solar farms given the amount of noise and other pollution emanating from regular farms. Farm-scale irrigation is not silent. Crop Dusters are not silent. Combines and other tractors are not silent. Burning fields are both not silent and release a tremendous amount of sooty smoke that spreads far beyond the boundaries of a farm. Farms make a lot of noise.

Crop dusters do not run 24/7, nor do the combines or other tractors.

Are solar panel inverter fans running at night?

Re: American solar farms

#220
post #9

My experience has been that people living next to newly constructed solar farms are unhappy about living next to a solar farm. It is also my experience that this is a fringe opinion because a very low percentage of people live next to solar farms.

"My experience is that people whose homes have burned down are unhappy that their homes burned down. It is also my experience that this is a fringe opinion" Like what?

are the homes that were burned down by solar farms in the room with us right now?
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