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Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by nailer »

zzzeek wrote: post #196
nailer wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW I agree Kirk shouldn't have made fun of Paul Pelosi. I think Kirk probably wouldn't be proud of his own behaviour there.

NARRATOR: he was, in fact, proud of his behavior there, plainly visible by comparing such behavior to hundreds of other publicly recorded instances of such behavior for which he was also quite proud

But that’s not true - it was uncharacteristic. There are many instances where he was kind to someone being openly aggressive towards him and one where he made fun of Paul Pelosi.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by nailer »

estearum wrote: post #209
nailer wrote: post #208

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We use names for things to categorize them. We categorize things to inform how to treat them. I think we should treat criminals differently from how we treat cockroaches, so we should use different names for them. There's only one functional reason to refer to humans as cockroaches which is to dehumanize them. Dehumanizing humans is bad.

It’s a moral imperative to call out evil. It’s a gross inversion to pretend otherwise.

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Post by soueuls »

tavavex wrote: post #199
beloch wrote: post #95

People outside the U.S. should care about this because so much social media is based in the U.S.. i.e. If you post an anti-MAGA meme to Facebook or reddit from an identifiable account you could be charged as this man was. Perhaps the U.S. will try to extradite you. (I would hope most nations have sensible checks and balances to prevent extradition over this sort of thing, but it would still be a PITA.) However, the U…

> Perhaps the U.S. will try to extradite you. (I would hope most nations have sensible checks and balances to prevent extradition over this sort of thing, but it would still be a PITA.) I don't think there's any countries that allow extradition for actions that aren't crimes in their own country. Extradition treaties, as far as I know, aren't straightforward conveyor belts that let any countries hoover up anyone inco…

Yes many countries will decide to extradite for actions which are legal in said country.

I am French, and we recently convinced Scotland to extradite a French man who was denying the existence of the Holocaust and gaz chamber, which is something you could do in Scotland if you do it without violence.

So indeed it’s possible.

But I don’t think it’s the same as extraditing for a meme.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by api »

I remember when the far right claimed they were for free speech and against “cancel culture.”

I’m curious. Have any of the people who actually bought into that been falling away? Has the 180 degree flip away from free speech actually popped the bubble for anyone?

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Post by estearum »

nailer wrote: post #212
estearum wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We use names for things to categorize them. We categorize things to inform how to treat them. I think we should treat criminals differently from how we treat cockroaches, so we should use different names for them. There's only one functional reason to refer to humans as cockroaches which is to dehumanize them. Dehumanizing humans is bad.

It’s a moral imperative to call out evil. It’s a gross inversion to pretend otherwise.

Are cockroaches (the insect) evil?

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by tavavex »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #161
Legend2440 wrote: post #157

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The linked article.

Nothing in the law [1] requires he come up with that sum himself . (The qualifier implies e.g. a legal defence fund or even family member couldn't help.) [1] https://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/114/Bill/SB0464.pdf

That seems kind of pedantic. From what the original commenter said, my immediate interpretation of it was that the obligation to procure the money and pay up is on his side, not that the $200k must be 'his' in some other way. It doesn't matter what source he gets it from, but the bill is on him to pay.

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Post by heavyset_go »

Bratmon wrote: post #100
mindslight wrote: post #50

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There's nothing "conservative" about the fascist movement. It's regressive / reactionary (to use Yarvin's own label).

This is a distinction without a difference. "Regressive", "reactionary", and "conservative" are three words that refer to the exact same people and mean the exact same thing.

Reactionary movements can be paradoxically revolutionary in their means, aspirations and intended outcomes, and sticking to the academic definition of conservatism, the word doesn't accurately describe all of them.

But yes, in general, I agree with your point, in a colloquial sense, the Venn diagram is usually a circle.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by tavavex »

soueuls wrote: post #214
tavavex wrote: post #199

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> Perhaps the U.S. will try to extradite you. (I would hope most nations have sensible checks and balances to prevent extradition over this sort of thing, but it would still be a PITA.) I don't think there's any countries that allow extradition for actions that aren't crimes in their own country. Extradition treaties, as far as I know, aren't straightforward conveyor belts that let any countries hoover up anyone inco…

Yes many countries will decide to extradite for actions which are legal in said country. I am French, and we recently convinced Scotland to extradite a French man who was denying the existence of the Holocaust and gaz chamber, which is something you could do in Scotland if you do it without violence. So indeed it’s possible. But I don’t think it’s the same as extraditing for a meme.

That's surprising, I hadn't heard about that. I had assumed that this was a blanket rule that generally applied to these treaties. I wonder how the UK justified it...

Also, one other differentiator here is that the man, as you described him, was a French citizen. The post up above implies extraditing foreigners from their countries of residence to the US, which is on a whole other level of insanity. Imagine what would've happened if France tried to extradite a Scottish man from within the UK for online posts.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by yibg »

somenameforme wrote: post #122
overfeed wrote: post #84

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He is being punished for his speech. His persecutors aren't bold enough yet to publicly proclaim their violation of his constitutional rights, hence the verbal gymnastics.

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The bar isn’t someone can interpret it as a threat. Anyone can claim to interpret anything as a threat.
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