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Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by peterfirefly »

miltonlost wrote: post #26
ceejayoz wrote: post #19

> “Given the extraordinary number of violations, NDEP has decided to exercise its discretion to reduce the penalty to two $5,000 violations per permit, which it believes offers a reasonable penalty that will still serve to deter future non-compliance conduct,” regulators wrote in the letter. The fuck? "You were driving so fast we gave you a discount on the speeding fine."

"You did too much crime. Therefore, we will charge you for fewer crimes! Bulk discount!" This is ridiculous and why we have the problems with late-stage capitalism that we do. Fines are not high enough. No jail time for environmental crimes.

> "You did too much crime. Therefore, we will charge you for fewer crimes! Bulk discount!"

That's pretty much how courts work :(

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by peterfirefly »

youngtaff wrote: post #50
jvanderbot wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a very deceptive video/article (at least the first half above the paywall). It is true that a few of these sats will have to come down each day, but the video is of a booster failure/explosion, not a normal planned obsolescence sat re-entry. And re-entry is part of the cleanup plan . All satellites responsibly launched need a plan to deal with possible orbital waste. By decommissioning in this way, we're redu…

> And re-entry is part of the cleanup plan Polluting the upper atmosphere with copper, aluminium and other compounds with unknown consequences is hardly a cleanup plan

Meteorites are a thing, you know.

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Post by standardUser »

ETH_start wrote: post #69

I think the big picture here is much more important. If tunneling technology is radically improved, we're going to see massive improvements in urban living, including: • Cleaner air at street level because vehicle exhaust stays underground and can be filtered, which would have massive health and environmental benefits • Quieter cities with most traffic noise eliminated • Cooler temperatures since asphalt and vehicle…

Then we should stop with amatuer hour and outsource to China, where they've lapped us in tunneling technology. It will take more than one ketamine-fueled billionaire breaking laws in Vegas to catch up.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

jvanderbot wrote: post #187

I am absolutely amazed at the vitrol this has conjured up. Straight up thoughtless condemnation of anything associated with Elon.

The criticisms of what the Boring Company has built are completely valid. I suggest you actually read them and consider them rather than just blatantly disregarding them because they might be interpreted as criticism of Elon.

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Post by freejazz »

Seattle3503 wrote: post #65
miltonlost wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> if you are just shilling for polluting billionaires. What an acidic thing to fling. I want us to build infrastructure. Nowhere did I say we need do whatever Musk says. I want us to use cost-benefit analysis to judge infrastructure projects rather than the heavy moral framing we get a lot.

>I want us to use cost-benefit analysis to judge infrastructure projects rather than the heavy moral framing we get a lot.

By framing a regulation as some ploy? You're just as ridiculous

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Post by daedrdev »

miltonlost wrote: post #40
Seattle3503 wrote: post #35

The tricky thing about environmental regulations is that they are crafted and utilized by NIMBYs to block any infrastructure development. Even if, on balance, the infrastructure is a net positive. It's not clear if these violations actually represent a real environmental hazard or are more reflective of NIMBY degrowth sentiment.

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The best part is that the regulations are often written so that both cases happen!

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by jvanderbot »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #214
jvanderbot wrote: post #187

I am absolutely amazed at the vitrol this has conjured up. Straight up thoughtless condemnation of anything associated with Elon.

The criticisms of what the Boring Company has built are completely valid. I suggest you actually read them and consider them rather than just blatantly disregarding them because they might be interpreted as criticism of Elon.

Scrolling down the thread brings up statements about all environmental reviews, all satellite launches, and says that starlink is going to destroy humanity by ruining the atmosphere.

You're right that it's easy to mistake any statement like mine as being a blanket defense of Elon and dismissing valid criticisms, but this discussion as a whole has gone far afield of cement accelerators and chemical burns.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

jvanderbot wrote: post #182
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> hard to take your argument seriously if you think that's more important than preserving the environment Okay, go convince a few billion Indians and Chinese they should wait to industrialize because the environment can’t take it.

What does this have to do with anything ITT?

> What does this have to do with anything ITT?

Growth versus preservation. India is trashing its air quality burning coal near its cities. Yet that power is lifting millions out of poverty and into the world's second-largest middle class.

Everyone would prefer clean air ceteris paribus. But for a lot of those people, economic security is "more important than preserving the environment."

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Post by capriciotrary »

skopje wrote: post #89
correlator wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, have you ever attempted to create something from scratch and bring it to market? Not as an employee, but as someone trying to figure it out? Your work history will impact the way you view this issue IMO.

Yes. 28 years ago I founded a small a software company (4 employees) that made test software for a Tier 1 automotive vendor's ECUs. I sold the IP to them in 2007. Next question? Or do you think my background makes my opinion invalid for another reason?

It was amazing just being able to build things back then. These days you need to cough up $1500 for a PDF of ISO 26262 to even think about doing something commercially with automotive ECUs. Depending on what you're trying to do, there are dozens of additional standards with thousands of pages. Not even to mention CARB compliance.
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