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Post by taneq »

petesergeant wrote: post #142
gyomu wrote: post #132

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> It is important that the US have strong auto companies. Same is true for Germany, France, Japan, S. Korea, etc. It is. But the reality is that those companies are complacent fossils who have lost all their vigor, and only threat of extinction would force them to innovate. Which they’re not under because legislators agree with you (in no small part thanks to their lobbyists). Like many things, we’ll realize the exte…

The right way to do that is to lower the tax rate on these foreign models a little bit; enough to spur competition, not enough to crash local manufacturing capacity.

That’s the right way to make any economic change. Gently, by gradations, so as to give the market time to adjust.

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Post by caritisev »

gkanai wrote: post #112
ryandrake wrote: post #82

Ever since I rode in a BYD in China I've thought it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. It just really felt complete, put together and polished in a way that I haven't seen in a "normie" U.S. car in a long time. Too bad our country uses high tariffs and regulatory barriers to protect its dinosaur companies.

> it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. Allowing in Chinese EVs into markets where there are important domestic auto manufacturers will be very bad for those domestic manufacturers. (US, Germany, France, S.Korea, Japan, etc.) Outside of Tesla, none have EV brands competitive with the Chinese firms and if customers in those non China markets migrate to Chinese brands en masse, it would be tremendous disr…

BMW has great EVs and they just launched their gen 6 which is probably one of the best on the market. VW also did a stellar job with their newest models.

The problem is not that Chinese EVs are entering other markets, BMW and others have done that for decades. The problem is that China is making car manufactoring a commodity.

The margins have been high for car manufacturas. China rolls that complelty over with lower laber costs (normal car has only a few thousand dollars in labor costs), end to end supply chain, cheap energy, higher automatisation level, simplified stack and lower margins. Significant lower margins.

Btw. USA and Europe got as rich as they are because of being manufactoring powerhouses previously. Was that fair ever to the rest of the world? Probably not. Now China is doing the same thing and suddenly everyone needs to protect their markets? A little bit ignorant and short sighted eh? Btw. China was smarter then us. They stoped allowing this and made it mandatory to have chinese people invovled in the expansion of american and europeon companies.

And they are buying companies around the globe too while we all watch and let it happen.

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Post by dtgriscom »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #73
lossolo wrote: post #56

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> Porsche 919 Hybrid EVO did it in 5:19 If anyone hasn't seen this, I highly recommend it, even if you're not a car fan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQmSUHhP3ug

That just looks unreal. I wonder if this is reaching the point where a driver can't keep up anymore.

https://what-if.xkcd.com/116/

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Post by dtgriscom »

jackvalentine wrote: post #133
crummy wrote: post #101

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what is "boost"? my car does not have that

Intake pressure provided by the turbo or supercharger - basically exhaust gasses spin one side of the turbine that causes the other side to pump air in to the engine at higher-than-atmospheric pressure. This allows for more fuel to be added for more bang per engine stroke!

It's not that. You only see the "BOOST" indicator when coming out of curves; if this were a turbocharger you'd see it all along the straightaways.

Someone else mentioned KERS (kinetic energy recovery system); that seems a lot more likely.

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Post by Urahandystar »

caritisev wrote: post #212
gkanai wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. Allowing in Chinese EVs into markets where there are important domestic auto manufacturers will be very bad for those domestic manufacturers. (US, Germany, France, S.Korea, Japan, etc.) Outside of Tesla, none have EV brands competitive with the Chinese firms and if customers in those non China markets migrate to Chinese brands en masse, it would be tremendous disr…

BMW has great EVs and they just launched their gen 6 which is probably one of the best on the market. VW also did a stellar job with their newest models. The problem is not that Chinese EVs are entering other markets, BMW and others have done that for decades. The problem is that China is making car manufactoring a commodity. The margins have been high for car manufacturas. China rolls that complelty over with lower…

Yeah but you can't blame China for that, When the west made EV's they made them a luxury product I could have bought a Porsche for the same price as an Audi electron. China made them affordable, its just a better strategy and it paid off.

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Post by bdangubic »

bzzzt wrote: post #199
bdangubic wrote: post #116

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BYD released that many since you wrote this comment :) Also check the same for say a Toyota

> BYD released that many since you wrote this comment :) You say that like it's an advantage while it's really the opposite. As a car buyer I'm only looking at cars their manufacturer plans to fully support over their lifetime. That rules out new, unproven manufacturers as well as the ones with proven bad support.

I own 2014 Tesla S, my next door neighbour has 2024 Tesla S, same f’ing car. Tesla X was modern looking back in 2017, looks the same now. Tesla 3 is chopped up S and Y is 3 blown up in height a bit. These are all old outdated cars - hence the dinosaur comment.

Support-wise, trying owning an older model of Tesla like a do and you’d know that your statement cannot be further from the truth, my car bricked several times after a software update and getting repairs done gets met with “oh that’ll take __ to get parts”

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Post by cobbaut »

gkanai wrote: post #112
ryandrake wrote: post #82

Ever since I rode in a BYD in China I've thought it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. It just really felt complete, put together and polished in a way that I haven't seen in a "normie" U.S. car in a long time. Too bad our country uses high tariffs and regulatory barriers to protect its dinosaur companies.

> it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. Allowing in Chinese EVs into markets where there are important domestic auto manufacturers will be very bad for those domestic manufacturers. (US, Germany, France, S.Korea, Japan, etc.) Outside of Tesla, none have EV brands competitive with the Chinese firms and if customers in those non China markets migrate to Chinese brands en masse, it would be tremendous disr…

It would be great if the USA invested half of its military budget in all these technologies instead of claiming that those Chinese investments are 'destroying' the USA economy. I have the impression that the USA is very capable, yet somehow chooses not to compete (on a technological investment level).

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Post by refurb »

solresol wrote: post #124
milesrout wrote: post #114

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In what sense are domestic car manufacturers "important"? They're inefficient if they're being outcompeted by China.

If the "outcompeting" is possible because of Chinese government subsidies, then it's important to protect local industry from unfair competition. It's similar to the logic behind anti-trust actions against monopolists. If the playing field isn't level, then the USA government steps in to level it. (Whether BYD is subsidised or not is another question, but the above is the logic of protecting local industry.)

Not sure why this is downvoted. The Chinese government has been quite transparent in terms of globally dominating several industries including EV through heavy government support.

It would make no sense to destroy your own industry because it can’t compete with a heavily subsidized foreign industry.

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Post by slaw »

mattclarkdotnet wrote: post #193
slaw wrote: post #182

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BYD has only 4.9% of car sales market. Why BEVs are so unpopular in Australia, only 9.31% of sales? https://www.fcai.com.au/new-brands-surge-in-strong-august-sa...

Long driving distances in many areas, plus high electricity costs and poor charging infrastructure. Plug in hybrids sell like hot cakes though!

Plug in hybrids are only 14.87%

https://www.aaa.asn.au/research-data/electric-vehicle/

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