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Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by DSingularity » Tue, Sep 30, 2025, 11:29 AM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #83

DSingularity wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anybody even insinuates that Weiss or Ellison have dual loyalty because of this they will be accused of anti-semitism. The hard truth is that weaponizing your money — earned largely from Americans — to aid a foreign country at the expense of America is about as un-American as it gets. Aside from the potentially valid argument that your voice shouldn’t be louder just because you are a billionaire — you are corrupti…

> anybody even insinuates that Weiss or Ellison have dual loyalty because of this they will be accused of anti-semitism No, they’ll be accused of derailing the conversation. Every pro-Palestinian activist isn’t civically compromised because they have strong views on foreign policy. > you are corrupting American foreign policy and American stature in the world to advance the agenda of Israel. That is a betrayal of Ame…

How is it hyperbolic? Talk to foreigners. People are universally disgusted with the US and it is not all because we have an anti-immigration, nationalist administration. People are disgusted with the fact that the US wrecked Iraq, Libya, Syria, and bombed Gaza to smithereens before starving its people.

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by raxxorraxor » Tue, Sep 30, 2025, 2:53 PM UTC

bhouston wrote: post #28

Larry Ellison is ultra-pro Israel if you didn't know. He and others are pushing for Bari Weiss take a key role at CBS to better "defend Israel": https://nypost.com/2025/09/19/media/shari-redstone-says-bari... And many people are worried about a similar type of agenda setting at TikTok now: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/will-tiktoks-new-own... Netanyahu, for his part, believes it is super consequential for E…

You took an interesting topic and completely sidelined it with irrelevant info.

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by raxxorraxor » Tue, Sep 30, 2025, 3:08 PM UTC

beardyw wrote: post #137

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> anybody even insinuates that Weiss or Ellison have dual loyalty because of this they will be accused of anti-semitism No, they’ll be accused of derailing the conversation. Every pro-Palestinian activist isn’t civically compromised because they have strong views on foreign policy. > you are corrupting American foreign policy and American stature in the world to advance the agenda of Israel. That is a betrayal of Ame…

> expressing foreign-policy disagreement Foreign policy is almost universally a quid pro quo. Whilst there may be something for the USA in this it feels very asymmetric unless I am missing something.

You are missing quite a bit. It is not obviously quid pro quo in diplomatic relations but on that point you are partially correct. If the US for one reason or another cuts ties with Israel, it loses its main influence in the middle east and other countries would probably quite happily pick up the tap. Only some are from the region, others are not.

All this has absolutely nothing to do with Larry Ellison and frankly this whole thread is mostly idiotic. It could have been an interesting topic but some seem to have other priorities. Which are quite transparent.

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by bhouston » Tue, Sep 30, 2025, 5:41 PM UTC

raxxorraxor wrote: post #212

bhouston wrote: post #28

Larry Ellison is ultra-pro Israel if you didn't know. He and others are pushing for Bari Weiss take a key role at CBS to better "defend Israel": https://nypost.com/2025/09/19/media/shari-redstone-says-bari... And many people are worried about a similar type of agenda setting at TikTok now: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/will-tiktoks-new-own... Netanyahu, for his part, believes it is super consequential for E…

You took an interesting topic and completely sidelined it with irrelevant info.

It is on topic because Ellison's "best behavior" includes being pro-Israel and it is likely to be implemented on CBS News and TikTok. I think others agree with me based on voting patterns.

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by bhouston » Tue, Sep 30, 2025, 5:47 PM UTC

andsoitis wrote: post #76

bhouston wrote: post #28

Larry Ellison is ultra-pro Israel if you didn't know. He and others are pushing for Bari Weiss take a key role at CBS to better "defend Israel": https://nypost.com/2025/09/19/media/shari-redstone-says-bari... And many people are worried about a similar type of agenda setting at TikTok now: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/will-tiktoks-new-own... Netanyahu, for his part, believes it is super consequential for E…

what does this have to do with the story?

It is relevant because Ellison's concept of "best behavior" includes being pro-Israel. And he is in a position to implement this across the properties he now owns including TikTok, and CBS News and possibly more if he also acquired CNN.

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by fakedang » Wed, Oct 01, 2025, 6:07 AM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #145

fakedang wrote: post #118

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> People do act differently when they know they are being watched. Even more so when they know they are being recorded. London is the most surveilled city in the world outside China, in terms of the number of intelligent cameras they have around the city, yet that does not stop crime from being significantly reduced.

> yet that does not stop crime from being significantly reduced Source? (I'm inclined to agree with you. Hence my desire for substantiation.)

https://www.statista.com/statistics/380963/london-crime-rate...

COVID had a bigger impact on crime lol. I don't trust the numbers from the London Mayor's office when Sadiq Khan tries to skew and skewer numbers in various ways to his advantage. I do trust my rich Arab friends though, when they tell me they're not visiting London anymore for summers because they've been mugged.

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by jodrellblank » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 6:39 PM UTC

andsoitis wrote: post #114

jodrellblank wrote: post #100

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GP's claim is that UK is massively surveilled and the UK is unsafe, therefore surveillance does not improve safety. However the UK is a long way above the USA; if one wants to argue that the surveillance isn't the cause of the safety, they can, but they can't take that for granted by snarkily saying the UK isn't safe. If I was trying to say that the UK is safe because it's #30 on the Peace Index when the USA was high…

> GP's claim is that UK is massively surveilled and the UK is unsafe, therefore surveillance does not improve safety. So do you think Ellison is right? That surveillance would make the US much safer?

I think it's unquestionably correct; if someone follows you around and sees you in a bar drinking alcohol and stops you from driving for 8 hours in a way you can't reason with, can't object to, can't override, and that happens to everyone all the time, then drink-driving accidents would drop to zero overnight. If everyone is surveilled constantly then every transgression can be blocked or punished immediately - instant fines deducted from bank accounts (I read that China does that with jaywalkers, facial recognition identifies them and they get a smartphone alert that they have been fined), but beyond that things like everyone having an ID tag and all doors and gates working on it would stop a lot of trespassing. Then swarming the perpetrator with electronic mosquitos with taser zappers and beeping noises would stop a lot of cases of casual harassment and casual theft. Then calling the police to a location and locking up the perpetrator in minutes instead of months, would pretty quickly communicate that crime doesn't pay.

I don't think it's a good idea for a free society, it would be hell to live in. The chilling effect, the number of laws is too high to keep track of, it probably isn't be possible to always be on best behaviour 24/7 for a lifetime.

When robot camera insects with wireless mesh networking and power scavenging hit a few dollars each, there won't be a private space on the planet ever again. Any spider, beetle, fly, in any room, outside any window, on any surface, will be a potential camera drone.