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Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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> My 8 year old nephew was cranking out "songs" in Suno within an hour of being introduced to it. Reminds me of when parents were super impressed that their 3-year old could use an iPad. You imply "it is Prompt -> Song" but in reality it is "Prompt -> Song -> Reflection -> New Prompt -> New Song.." It is a dialogue. And in a dialogue you can get some places where neither of you could go alone. As software developers…

clicking on a button until you like what you hear is not "making music". I have nothing against these tools, but the hubris of the people using them is insane

What button? Again with the vending machine idea. No, it's language prompting, language has unbounded semantic space. It's not one choice out of 20, it's one choice out of countless possibilities.

I give my idea to the model, the model gives me new ideas, I iterate. After enough rounds I get some place where I would never have gotten on my own, or the model gotten there without me.

I am not the sole creator, neither is the model, credit belongs to the Process.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Refining a request that generates music, is "making music" however you slice it.

If so, then twiddling the radio knob is also "making music".

You probably never prompted an AI model until you got something good from it.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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The difference shows up when you perform - perform with Suno on stage and then with Guitar, you will know then.

Live programming music using tools like SuperCollider is/was a (very niche) thing. Someone is on stage with a laptop and, starting from a blank screen that is typically projected for everyone to see, types in code that makes sounds (and sometimes visual effects). A lot of it involves procedurally generated sounds using simple random generators. Live prompting as part of such shows would not seem entirely out of place…

SuperCollider enthusiast here, I think you missed the "is no different than" part. Working with SuperCollider is very different from playing any instrument live, and I doubt that'll change.

Where playing an instrument means balancing the handling of tempo, rhythm and notes while mastering your human limitations, a tool like SuperCollider lets you just define these bits as reactive variables. The focus in SuperCollider is on audio synthesis and algorithmic composition, that's closer to dynamically stringing a guitar in unique rule-based ways - mastering that means bridging music- and signal-processing theories while balancing your processing resources. Random generators in audio synthesis are mostly used to bring in some human depth to it.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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No, the hubris of people deciding they can define what music is is insane Banging two sticks together is music. Get off your high horse.

I have claves, which are literally two sticks. I've also got a couple egg shakers, a couple tambourines. Do you have ANY IDEA how hard these things are to play well. I don't care if haphazard bashing of sticks with intent to make noise counts as 'music'. I do care if this whole line of discussion fundamentally equates any such bashing with, say, Jack Ashford. I would be surprised if the name meant anything to you, as…

Maybe you need to refresh the context - 99.99% of AI generated music, images or text is seen/heard only Once, by the AI user. It's a private affair. The rest of the world are not invited.

If I write a song about my kid and cat it's funny for me and my wife. I don't expect anyone else to hear or like it. It has value to me because I set the topic. It doesn't even need to be perfect musically to be fun for a few minutes.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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I'm a musician, and have been for 25+ years. In fact, I made a living of music before eventually getting my education and working in tech. I've played around with Suno for a couple of months. It works for some things, but to me - it just doesn't give any sense of...accomplishment? I'd much rather sit down with my instruments, and come up with the stuff myself. What is more, I get no feel of ownership. It is not me th…

> It's like paying some painter 5 bucks, and telling them what to paint. In the end, you'll have your painting, but you didn't paint it. That didn’t stop Andy Warhol from becoming a famous artist.

Refuting an analogy only proves that the analogy doesn't fit perfectly.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Dumping money into a company until desired results is not "building a company". I have nothing against capital, but the hubris of the people investing is insane. /s Look, sarcasm aside, for you and the many people who agree with you, I would encourage opening your minds a bit. There was a time where even eating food was an intense struggle of intellect, skill, and patience. Now you walk into a building and grab anyth…

It doesn’t even have to be art. If someone told me they were a chef and cooked some food but in reality had ordered it I’d think they were a bit of a moron for equating these things or thinking that by giving someone money or a request for something they were a creator, not a consumer. It may be nice for society that ordering food is possible, but it doesn’t make one a chef to have done so.

Assuming that 1. food is free and instant to get, and 2. there are infinite possibilities for food - then yes, if you ordered such a food from an infinite catalog you would get the credit.

But if you ordered 100 dishes iterating between designing your order, tasting, refining your order, and so on - maybe you even discover something new that nobody has realized before.

The gen-AI process is a loop, not a prompt->output one step process.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Tools like Suno are fundamentally enabling. I'm about 40 years old and never "had the music" - not for lack of trying (music lessons at a young age)... but could never carry a tune or keep rhythm. I suppose its what being dyslexic feels like. If I were educated in a culture where music was fundamentally as important as reading or math, I suppose would have spent enough hours on it to eventually be passable... but I g…

If you enjoy it, I'd leave it at that - that's all that matters. It's a pretty absurd claim to say that learning Suno is no different than learning a musical instrument. My 8 year old nephew was cranking out "songs" in Suno within an hour of being introduced to it. Reminds me of when parents were super impressed that their 3-year old could use an iPad. Generative tools (visual, auditory, etc.) can serve as powerful t…

I disagree with the characterization as “absurd” to equate AI to an instrument. As you just said, it is a powerful tool. I would equate basic Suno prompting to a beginner on an instrument, as instruments are tools like anything else. Just because you get music out, it doesn’t mean it is actually “good” any more than if I smash random keys on a piano.

Controlling that flow of generation, re-prompting, adjusting, splicing, etc. to create a unique song that expresses your intention is significantly more work and requires significantly more creativity. The more you understand this “instrument”, the more accurate and efficient you become.

What you’re comparatively suggesting is that if a producer were to grab samples off Splice, slice them and dice them to rearrange them and make a unique song, that they didn’t “actually” make music. That seems like it would be a more absurd position than suggesting AI could be viewed as an instrument.

Tools like Suno make people feel like “their own music” is good and they have accomplished something because they elevate the floor of being bad at a tool (like all technological improvements do). They feel like they have been able to express their creativity and are proud, like a kid showing off a doodle. They share it with their friends, who will listen to it exactly one time in most cases and likely tell them it is “really good” and they “really like it” before never listening again.

That type of AI use is akin to a coloring book, but certainly doesn’t make for “good” music. When a kid shows off their badly colored efforts proudly, should we yell at them they aren’t doing “real art”, that their effort was meaningless, and that they should stop acting proud of such crap until they go to art school and do it “properly”?

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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> It's like paying some painter 5 bucks, and telling them what to paint. In the end, you'll have your painting, but you didn't paint it. That didn’t stop Andy Warhol from becoming a famous artist.

Refuting an analogy only proves that the analogy doesn't fit perfectly.

Doesn't even refute it... Warhols fame came from claiming any absurdities of capitalism and the art market as his working material. He was a "Business artist".

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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> learning suno is no different than learning guitar It most definitely is different and you’ve proven it with your own post. Guitar takes a long time to get to a place where you can produce the sounds you hear in your head. Suno gives you instant gratification. Look, if it gives you pleasure to make Suno music then you should do it, but if you think having an ai steal a melody and add it to your songs counts is the…

> having an ai steal a melody and add it The fact people still think this is how these models work is astonishing Even if that were true, sampling is an artform and is behind one of the most popular and succesful genres today (hip hop). So is DJ'ing or is that also not a skill? The same puritanism that claimed jazz wasn't music, then rap wasn't music, then EDM wasn't music, blah blah Gatekeepers of what is and isn't…

If you sample you have to credit the creator of the original samples properly. It is astonishing that you do not know that.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Well, music is art. Some of it is done for hire or commission. Most code is written for an employer or contract. Code written as art is an edge case. For advertising jingles it makes some sense. For artistic expression, like... what's the point?

If the act of creating this AI music provides joy to them... I think they are artist I used to release music that people listend to, but not anymore, now the only joy comes from making it for myself. Am I still an artist?

Is a scrapbooker an artist? If a scrapbooker is an artist because of what collage is, is a MtG card collector picking layouts to arrange their cards in the array of plastic sleeves you can get, an artist?

If the MtG card collector is not an artist does that mean they're bad and need to stop?

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