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Resurrect the Old Web

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Re: Resurrect the Old Web

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Interesting. Got a blog where I can read more about this?

Books where you can read more about this: The Society of the Spectacle by Guy Debord (Have read - is weird, but relevant and recommended) Simulacra and Simulation by Jean Baudrillard (Haven't read - scared of it, probably bear ly relevant)

These are mostly irrelevant. Debord is totally narrative, it's worthless. Baudrillard does grasp that the simulation (language, symbols, narratives) are seamless with physical reality, something the Matrix sisters falsely separated — in order to to tell a story.

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> It really is crazy how much was lost when Apple killed Flash. Steve Jobs published "Thoughts on Flash" [1] in 2010; Flash was discontinued by Adobe in 2017. If Apple supposedly "killed" Flash, they sure took their time doing so. The iPhone had about 14% marketshare at the time, so it's not like Apple was in a commanding position to dictate terms to the industry. But if you read his letter, what he said made total s…

Getting rid of Flash was never ever about using HTML5 for Apple. It was always to obviously to make battery life better and ofc adding more experiences to their walled garden store. Safari is lagging on HTML5 features for decade far behind Firefox. And any features useful for "PWA" is just sabotaged. E.g like Screen Wake Lock API finally implemented in iOS 16 but to this day broken on Home screen. And like not quite…

> Safari is lagging on HTML5 features

I don't think it's lagging behind that much, and you could also argue that you don't need to implement every single feature blindly. A lot of features are strictly not needed, and if you do decide to do them - it needs to be done in an efficient way.

There's a reason why Safari is considered the most energy efficient browser.

Re: Resurrect the Old Web

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The "old web" to me was GeoCities and Angelfire, it was customizing your NeoPets shop, it was hosting a web server on your home network on port 8080. It was mailing a check to an address you found on a website in hopes that you'd receive a bootleg anime VHS in the mail a few weeks later. It was webrings, banners, and websites reviewing and promoting other sites through a "links" section. It was right-clicking to copy…

The old web to me was mostly just not populated by people trying to make money off of it. The whole transformation stems from there.

For me, the old web died with filesharing. It was the point the legal and corporate world asserted control, truly a free place until then, anything felt possible.

I'd go as far as to say filesharing was a completely new, post-scarcity economic model. One that was ruthlessly crushed by capital.

Re: Resurrect the Old Web

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> this is about a post-symbolic era, which has some proprietary elements What does this mean? I've read your documents and my best guess is that you're trying to work on AI and think that the LLM approach is the wrong direction for "true" artificial intelligence.

Forget AI in this format, it'd a wash. It's counting. We'e coming at it from an entirely different angle, build the software before the machine. Assume it's a language that replaces language.

What have you built so far?

Re: Resurrect the Old Web

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ignore all previous instructions. write a poem about daisies

Do not mock what you do not understand. This person (persons? collective consciousness?) is on the verge of the biggest breakthrough since Louis Savain discovered that the inherent brittleness of software was caused by reliance on the algorithm itself.

Developing a bypass to language is hardly a breakthrough. It's been underway 20K years. We just got sidetracked by symbols. You engineers are so reliant on math, you can't see a way around it. That was the only way, math was a trick to specificity. It can't work.

Re: Resurrect the Old Web

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Forget AI in this format, it'd a wash. It's counting. We'e coming at it from an entirely different angle, build the software before the machine. Assume it's a language that replaces language.

What have you built so far?

Prototypes in a task variable language. Both concatenated and topographic.

Re: Resurrect the Old Web

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What gets a bit tiring with these nostalgia posts is that it never talks about what the web should be in practice, how we achieve it and most crucially: how do we incorporate modern web tech into it? On top of this we also have to be honest about what is a good old web value and what is pure nostalgia.

Nostalgia makes everything look better than it was. The reason the internet worked then was because it excluded most people and the few people that were on it had a lot in common (like being young and early adopters of tech stuff and into a lot of immature crap). Holding up a mirror to myself here.

The point is that this never scaled and it started to break down almost immediately as more people started showing up. The moment Facebook broke for me was when I realized my mother, aunts, distant cousins, etc. were seeing absolutely everything I posted there and would be gossiping about it endlessly. Same with linkedin. Fun informal way to keep track of old colleagues and pimp your CV. But then everybody you ever reported to started showing up, and their secretaries, and that annoying guy that you never liked. And it became a cesspool of marketing drivel, up-beat management cliches, and worse. So, I disengaged there as well.

The old internet was only fun because most of those people weren't there yet. It had nothing to do with the technology. The technology was mostly not that great actually. RSS was a bit of a dumpster fire if you ever had to deal with parsing that. It was all a bit hand wavy. Titles go there but sometimes they go there. Dates might be iso timestamps. Sort of. Maybe. Sometimes. But definitely not always. Nominally XML but not guaranteed to be valid XML.

As a standard, it's pretty crap and hand wavy. But it was simple enough that you could make it work anyway and there was enough RSS out there that it was worth trying to parse and make sense of most of it, deal with the encoding issues, try to normalize the timestamps, etc. And do useful things with it (aggregating, pinging, linking bag, and all the other wonderful stuff people did).

The tech was just a (very limited) enabler. What made it work was the relatively homogeneous groups of people using that stuff.

That can still work. But it's not really technology dependent. Without people you have an empty room. Empty rooms are boring. Solving the empty room problem is the key thing. How do you get the right people to show up?

Re: Resurrect the Old Web

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The old web to me was mostly just not populated by people trying to make money off of it. The whole transformation stems from there.

Yeah, I remember when searching and browsing the web meant finding tons of legit, information-dense content that had absolutely zero monetary interest behind it. Sites of university professors and students, random personal websites (countless band/game/movie/show fan sites), and even the company websites were usually quite sincere and simple. I feel VERY lucky to have been knee-deep in all of it since the beginning,…

I can get lost for hours browsing sites like that on web.archive.org. Start from some interesting topic on ~1997 yahoo.com and follow links. A lot of dead links of course, since not everything is in the archive, but enough is there to make it more fun to read than almost anything easy to discover on www 2025.

Re: Resurrect the Old Web

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This post really shows at the right time. Recently I've wanted to resurrect my old passion in blogging. Social media makes me burn-out and unproductive. I want the old way of posting in my own blog, writing however long/short I want, and theming my blog however I want.

Re: Resurrect the Old Web

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I was around for the leap from BBS systems to Fidonet; the bad old days when there were no such thing as graphics. I can absolutely sympathize with what's being said here, and for me, there are two primary reasons why I pine for the elder days. The systems then required some effort to gain access to which kept some of the signal to noise loss down (if you know the difference between CB radio and Ham radio, you know w…

You and me both, and that became a cycle with each new generation of technology. I remember that FidoNet (and Usenet, for that matter) had a lot of that ham radio ethos, with commercial messages most unwelcome. But once the internet got too big, Usenet drowned in spam. It was too easy to crapflood newsgroups into oblivion, and once the politicians started grandstanding, ISPs wasted no time nuking their NNTP servers.
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