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Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by hylaride »

troupo wrote: post #144
skybrian wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given how AMP eventually died, it seems unlikely that web developers would go along with it. What’s in it for them? Also, I don’t see any sign that Google even wants to do it? This is not really evidence-based reasoning, it’s just “I can imagine something evil that Google might do.”

> This is not really evidence-based reasoning, it’s just “I can imagine something evil that Google might do.” Please read Mozilla's story on how Google sabotaged them: https://archive.is/tgIH9 Oh. And they very literally killed Internet Explorer: https://blog.chriszacharias.com/a-conspiracy-to-kill-ie6 Oh. And Google's mobile apps always conveniently forget the setting of "always use system browser and never ask me",…

> Oh. And they very literally killed Internet Explorer

I disagree with this. Firstly, in this article they talk about how they "killed" IE6 in favour of later versions of IE, but MS ultimately killed IE with neglect until it was far too late.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by erichocean »

ForHackernews wrote: post #108
quibono wrote: post #102

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Not mouseless or obscure but it definitely is a distro Granted, it does have a TUI focus

> 310 FydeOS > 311 Omarchy > 312 Adélie https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity 311th is plenty obscure in my book.

I, too, only look at position and not velocity or acceleration.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by hitekker »

skyfaller wrote: post #192
nemomarx wrote: post #68

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Is Ladybird a tech right thing?

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I don't see LadyBird's dev endorsing white replacement theory in your links. Rather, I see innuendo and hearsay from extremely online people, with a rather exclusionary sense of politics.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by hylaride »

robinhood wrote: post #76
oefrha wrote: post #19

I’m skeptical. Cloudflare clearly wants to move us to a future where only approved browsers are allowed to access the web. People have been fiercely debating whether that’s a terrible thing, or whether that’s the least bad practical solution on offer for website owners. I don’t want to make a judgement on that, but I don’t think the observation that CF is pushing us in that direction is very controversial. But an ind…

I don't understand why we always assume bad faith. I wish more companies were like Cloudflare actually - trying to balance the need of revenues while trying to do good for internet and open source as a whole. As a normal user with a few sites, I'm glad they provide what they provide to block bots, attacks and everything AI.

> I don't understand why we always assume bad faith

Because they all seem to eventually "screw" us. Google seemed (and maybe actually was) altruistic at some point, and even Apple seemed to be (when the only way they could make money was to do right by the users).

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by femiagbabiaka »

dham wrote: post #151
femiagbabiaka wrote: post #35

I cannot for the life of me understand the Omarchy hype. The Linux community has been theming their distribution installs for decades. What distinguishes this from that?

Reminds me of the rsync Dropbox comment lol.

This is a great example of the insane levels of hype I’m talking about. Dropbox was never just some scripts and config files.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by subjectsigma »

skyfaller wrote: post #192
nemomarx wrote: post #68

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Is Ladybird a tech right thing?

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This is some absolutely insane character assassination, you should be ashamed of yourself for spreading lies and FUD like this. No sane reasonable person would make the jump from “certain statements made me uncomfortable” to “I support a racist conspiracy theory”

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by lukaslalinsky »

I really wish the open source projects that actually have meaningful impact on the whole industry were target of sponsorship, not the ones with good marketing, but I know how hard that is to achieve. Taking money from someone is unfortunately complicated in this society. In many cases it's easier not to even ask for sponsorship, unless you are willing to deal with the bureaucracy. Ladybird is at least fighting for diversity, but I don't see the added value of Omarchy.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by fabrice_d »

robinhood wrote: post #84
rs186 wrote: post #37

The post does not mention how much money they are giving. Maybe I am a pessimist, but unless the number is in tens of millions or hundreds of millions (very unlikely), I don't think it helps the development of an independent browser very much. Google probably has poured over billions of dollars into Chrome development over the years, and if you look at what Chrome supports, it's massive. I seriously doubt anybody els…

Clearly you haven't been following what Ladybird's team have been doing in the last months. With almost no resources, they've created this web engine that is almost at par with the giants.

The "almost" is very load bearing there... It's not remotely competitive with blink/webkit/gecko yet, be it for features support or performance.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

jorvi wrote: post #123
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #87

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To add to this, Apple’s share of the control is minimal and precarious. A timeline where Google is the sole web engine authority could easily become reality and is even likely. Hedging on a promising upstart makes a lot of sense.

Google doesn't have control of Chromium though. The source is available and it is permissively licensed. If they did something truly onerous, Microsoft would fork it within hours and everyone would switch their upstream to Edgium. The only reason Google calls the shots is because they pour billions of dollars into maintaining Chromium. The fact that they can do that (and even fund Firefox at the same time) is because…

> Google doesn't have control of Chromium though.

They do. If they merge DRM into it tomorrow or something alike, it trickles down to all users of Chromium and Google Chrome.

You can build _a fork_ of it. But the enormous majority of the masses don’t use your fork — they use upstream.

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