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Post by prmoustache »

mschaef wrote: post #165
prmoustache wrote: post #155

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Having said that you also have the midway option with large sensor compact cameras. A ricoh GR III/IV with an APS-C sensor is heavier than a smartphone but not overly so and more compact as it actually fit a pocket. A Canon G9X is even lighter with a 1" sensor.

Some of it's size, some of it the fact that the camera is a second device, and some of it's workflow. I tried a Sony RX100 (1" sensor) when they first came out, optimistic about the possibility of using it for 'general purpose' photography. After all, it's small enough. The problem was, it's a second device to carry around and keep charged. Then once you capture the image, it's largely stuck on the device until you f…

The RX100 has had wifi transfer since the 3rd gen.

I understand the "second device to carry around" but it isn't a real point for baby pics you might take at home. A ridiculous number of times I have no idea where I last put my phone anyway and sometimes have to make it ring from kde connect on my laptop so it is not like a smartphone is necessarily readily available at all time anyway.

I also know a number of people who don't leave home with their smartphone amyway for short errands since they have an apple watch, that leave one pocket available for those that would prefer having a camera.

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Post by viraptor »

pertymcpert wrote: post #194
smlavine wrote: post #191

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Out of curiosity, how often do you use your bank's app? I don't have my bank's app on my phone. Pretty much nobody ever gives me paper checks, and all of my employers have strongly encouraged/required direct deposit as part of the usual onboarding process. If I want to check balance or move between checking/savings, I use their website. I have a debit card, and my (Android) phone has tap-to-pay built-in.

Millions of people in the US use their banking online apps. A lot of people don’t own a computer at all, just a mobile device.

You can still use the bank website on the phone.

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Post by mrheosuper »

smlavine wrote: post #191
Macha wrote: post #159

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It doesn't run my banks' apps so it can't be more than a secondary device for playing around.

Out of curiosity, how often do you use your bank's app? I don't have my bank's app on my phone. Pretty much nobody ever gives me paper checks, and all of my employers have strongly encouraged/required direct deposit as part of the usual onboarding process. If I want to check balance or move between checking/savings, I use their website. I have a debit card, and my (Android) phone has tap-to-pay built-in.

not GP, also not in US, but i use app bank to do everything related to banking. It's kind of a must now.

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Post by mrheosuper »

toastercat wrote: post #115

I always have a hard time swallowing the price of modern smart phones. Having something so ridiculously expensive and fragile as an everyday carry seems absurd to me. For reference, you can buy two Steam Deck LCDs for the price of one iPhone 17.

the iphone 17 is like the peak of consumer technology. They have the SOC manufactured on the newest TSMC node, they have cutting edge radio, decent camera system, etc. And all have to fit into a body that small enough for your pocket.

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Post by xiconfjs »

mdavid626 wrote: post #76

Looking at it from my 2020 iPhone SE I bought used for 120€. Still good, still works.

Problem with used phones: no guarantee of water resistance. Many of the resold phones got their battery replaced, which itself it a good thing, but they are usually not applying the gasket required for water resistence.

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Post by krzat »

Macha wrote: post #138

I'm actually considering buying myself an iPhone for the first time. I have basically two priorities when buying an phone: 1. Freedom. I should be able to build and run apps on it without the platform holder having a barrier on it. 2. Privacy. The phone shouldn't be an object to track me for better ad sales or any other purpose. Of course, priority 1 has until recently always led to Android while priority 2 has alway…

Funny that EU made iPhones more compelling by enforcing USB-C and side loading.

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

BlackjackCF wrote: post #207
eloisant wrote: post #114

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We converged already 5 years ago, the feature bumps we're getting now are artificially created for marketing reasons.

Yeah. When I refreshed from an 11 to a 15 Pro… the only noticeable difference was the better camera.

It's a remarkably good camera for a phone. But I agree. I went from the 2020 SE to the 15 Pro and it was kind of whatever. Well, the screen's higher refresh rate is nice to look at too. That isn't really new to phones in general so much as it is to iPhones, though.

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Post by mrheosuper »

Jtsummers wrote: post #162
dijit wrote: post #129

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I feel like the sales data would back you up, if it wasn’t for the fact that the 12 and 13 mini were larger than the iPhone 6 and 6S which for many people was too large. It’s a bit like selling increasingly carbonated water and then selling slightly less carbonated water and pretending that it was still water that you were selling- and using the data (of nobody buying it) to tell everyone that “nobody likes the still…

> if it wasn’t for the fact that the 12 and 13 mini were larger than the iPhone 6 and 6S which for many people was too large. I don't get why people make statements like this. 6: 2.64 (W) x 5.44 (H) x .27 (D) 6s: 2.64 (W) x 5.44 (H) x .28 (D) 13 mini: 2.53 (W) x 5.14 (H) x 0.30 (D) The only dimension in which the mini was larger than the 6 or 6s was in depth, and that was just barely. It was smaller otherwise. It did…

no way the 6/6s smaller than 12mini/13mini. The 13mini is like 5s, but with notch-screen and no home button

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Post by mrheosuper »

dingaling wrote: post #99
giancarlostoro wrote: post #8

I have a 12 Pro, I am definitely going to be upgrading, I've had my phone for 5 years now (since 2020) that's actually longer than I've owned any other cell phone without upgrading. I think I could probably squeeze more life out of my phone, but the 17 has a nicer camera, me and my wife are noticing our relatives with newer iPhones have photographs that look slightly (I meant to write NOTICEABLY here) better. As we r…

> As we raise our first child, having a quality camera is definitely important to us. A phone camera isn't really a camera, it's a digitally-airbrushed impression of reality. There just isn't enough light hitting the tiny sensor through the tiny lens. I have 20 year old 5MP DLSR portrait photos that are still better than what a 120MP phone can produce, because it's the lens that counts.

The best camera is the one you have on hand.

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Post by nicbou »

Macha wrote: post #138

I'm actually considering buying myself an iPhone for the first time. I have basically two priorities when buying an phone: 1. Freedom. I should be able to build and run apps on it without the platform holder having a barrier on it. 2. Privacy. The phone shouldn't be an object to track me for better ad sales or any other purpose. Of course, priority 1 has until recently always led to Android while priority 2 has alway…

My Pixel 5 made me switch to iOS after a software update made it unusable.

A year later, the iPhone mostly gets out of my way. However the keyboard and browser options are artificially limited. I can't easily set my own search engine on Safari either. Ad blocking works fine though.

The hardware is the best I've had in years. Battery life is really good. Airdrop and Airplay are very useful, as are many other small features.

I have come to prefer the iOS experience, but don't expect a life changing upgrade, just a longer-lasting phone.

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