I've been talking about this for a little while: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45006936
I'll take RFK being the stopped clock on this over him causing yet more harm to the medical community and to Americans' health.
Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy
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Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy
#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Yeah my wife is also pregnant and sometimes it is really tough on her but she doesn't use any medication other than baby aspirin for blood pressure. The alternative is exercise, anti-inflammatory foods, and also realizing that it isn't just your body anymore and you can't hurt somebody else's chances for a very small amount of pain relief. It very much is still your wife's body - what other sentient entity is avail…
This is doctor prescribed. It is an extremely low dose. https://www.acog.org/clinical/clinical-guidance/committee-op...
Did that doctor prescribe it to your wife? If not, you’re missing the point of the parent comment and that would be incredibly concerning.
Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy
#213Judging from the comments I've seen, nobody believes this because RFK has completely shot his credibility, and I don't blame them either. But it turns out there may actually be some emerging evidence to support this. This recent Harvard meta-analysis [1] from just last month looked at 46 different studies and suggested that there may actually be something happening here although it's not conclusive. Correlation but n…
I forget, is that the same RFK Jr who dumps dead bear carcasses in parks?
EDIT: Indeed it is! The US government is scooby-doo villains? https://www.npr.org/2024/08/05/nx-s1-5063939/rfk-jr-central-...
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> the industrial revolution has corrupted the human genome far more than we can measure. Ok, but do you have any objective measure to back up this claim?
he already hedged his bets with "more than we can measure", so it's a religious statement, not a scientific one.
Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy
#215It is the safest painkiller currently available. Ibuprofen can cause gut bleeding and renal issues if overdosed on. We all know about opiates. Some facts - typical adult dose is 1g. Max suggested cap on the drug label is 3g per day (about 6 pills at usual 500mg dose). You need to take 10g (20 pills) to be at real risk of hepatotoxicity. So 10 times the typical dose is when you have overdose effects. (basically 20 pil…
> We all know about opiates No, I do not think we do, because it causes none of the side-effects associated with NSAIDs, and it is even safer than acetaminophen, i.e. there is no risk of hepatotoxicity whatsoever. The only side-effect is euphoria. Please do not mention respiratory depression here, that is a non-issue, it matters as so much as liver failure matters with acetaminophen overdoses. Opiates are safer than…
Tylenol isn't addictive. Every opiate is. Even as an alcoholic having to get surgery terrifies me because of how addictive opiates is and that is all doctors push now-a-days.
eta this is nothing to do with purity of the product. I never heard of someone selling themselves for Tylenol/acetaminophen
Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy
#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is doctor prescribed. It is an extremely low dose. https://www.acog.org/clinical/clinical-guidance/committee-op...
Did that doctor prescribe it to your wife? If not, you’re missing the point of the parent comment and that would be incredibly concerning.
Yes a doctor prescribed it to my wife.
Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy
#217I'm always surprised at the hostility to Acetaminophen on HN (or Paracetamol as we call it here in the UK). It's one of the most commonly used medicines in the UK - and certainly the most popular painkiller. YouGov even did a survey confirming that - https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/docume... The safety aspects of it are not something that gets raised in the UK much - other than suicide attempts,…
I've heard people claim that Acetaminophen wouldn't be approved as an OTC drug if introduced today as it is too liver toxic.
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#218I'm always surprised at the hostility to Acetaminophen on HN (or Paracetamol as we call it here in the UK). It's one of the most commonly used medicines in the UK - and certainly the most popular painkiller. YouGov even did a survey confirming that - https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/docume... The safety aspects of it are not something that gets raised in the UK much - other than suicide attempts,…
A friend of mine, Eric Engstrom, died of liver failure after taking (too much) Tylenol. Tylenol use over time can sneak up on you in the form of cumulative liver damage.
No, I'm not a doctor and this isn't medical advice.
Personally, a works-most-of-the-time treatment for headaches is going out for a walk. I don't know why it works, but it does.
Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy
#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are also real risks to ignoring pain and the destructive effects it has to quality of life and mental well being, all of which can have effects on the mother's and the fetus's health. What is a pregnant person with debilitating pain such as a migraine supposed to do?
As I clarified in another comment, I was talking about avoiding it for common aches and pains. In cases of real migraines, I would be very grateful if tylenol gave any real relief. It never did for me.
Unfortunately drugs like sumatriptan have extremely limited data
Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy
#220Just one slight problem: Tylenol was introduced in 1955. Autism was first scientifically documented in 1926. If Tylenol causes autism, how did those parents in the 1920s get their hands on it? Also, wouldn't there been a clear link between Tylenol sales and the occurrence of autism? Where is the data showing that the adoption of Tylenol in the 1960s resulted in a rise in autism, and that the "rise" of autism in the 1…
> If Tylenol causes autism, how did those parents in the 1920s get their hands on it? The claim is that Tylenol is a factor that increases the risk of autism. It is not the cause of 100% of all cases. That said, the first synthesis of Paracetamol in the USA was Johns Hopkins in 1877, so maybe the answer is they went to Baltimore.
Now do Tylenol sales kicking up in the 60s.