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Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by beacon473 »

aatd86 wrote: post #93

I don't know what they've been training on but I just canceled claude for the second time. Besides the numerous UI bugs of the web interface, incessant flickerings, it has gotten weirdly super condescending and negative in a way I hadn't observed neither in the past nor with other llms. Probably that people accused it of being sycophantic and they have tried to adjust it but they didn't do it well. It'd rather critic…

If you don't like Claude's personallity, ask him to behave differently. It's common for me to periodically say 'don't be so sycophantic' and 'be more critical' when working on technical projects.

In your case, try saying 'be nicer' or 'be more jovial'.

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Post by derangedHorse »

godelski wrote: post #179
marssaxman wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In terms of copyright law, it matters very much whether Joe Schmoe is using his own copy of the data for his own purposes, or whether he is making more copies and distributing them to other people. If the AI companies were letting people download copies of their training data, copyright law would certainly have something to say about that. But no: once they download the training data, they keep it, and they don't sha…

> using his own copy of the data Yes? That is a different thing? I guess we can keep moving the topic until we're talking about the same topic if you want. But honestly, I don't want to have that kind of conversation.

It doesn’t seem like anyone is moving topics here. Where do you see the topic being moved?

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Post by derangedHorse »

vunderba wrote: post #138
marssaxman wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, but "stealing" is also an oversimplification, to the point of absurdity. It makes no sense to put stuff up on the internet where it can freely be downloaded by anyone at any time, by people who are then free to do whatever they like with it on their own hardware, then complain that people have downloaded that stuff and done what they liked with it on their own hardware. "Having machines consume large volumes of…

> "Having machines consume large volumes of data posted on the Internet for the purpose of generating value for them without compensating the creators" is equally a description of Google. Quid pro quo. Those sites also received traffic from the audiences searching using Google. "Without compensation" really only became a thing when Google started adding the inlined cards which distilled the site's content thus obviat…

Arguments like this never work out. There is no agreed upon compensation for being listed. If I didn’t want my site listed by Google and it was listed anyway, I may not think the traffic justifies my subjective “cost” of being listed. There’s also no legal protection against having my publicly accessible site and the title in its html from being shown (as there shouldn’t be).

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by nbulka »

t0mas88 wrote: post #201
nbulka wrote: post #91

For those who do not, or cannot, read this announcement prior to September 28th (think people in the hospital, traveling, missed an email ..) is this not a total breach of contract? Legally, I don't understand how Anthropic's lawyers would have allowed this. Maybe I am just naively optimistic about these matters? I am a Max customer and I might leave! Talk about a "rug pull" ... and I considering moving to an inferio…

It only applies to new conversations, and they show a popup with this info in the app. Probably as a result of the legal team considering the options you listed.

You mean this popup?

https://imgur.com/afqMi0Z

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Post by coldtea »

marssaxman wrote: post #88
TheRoque wrote: post #68

To be honest, these companies already stole terabytes of data and don't even disclose their dataset, so you have to assume they'll steal and train at anything you throw at them

"Reading stuff freely posted on the internet" constitutes stealing now? Seems like an excessively draconian interpretation of property rights.

"Reading stuff freely posted on the internet" that has copyrights to be used in your generative AI service is stealing, is a pretty basic interpretation of property rights.

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Post by coldtea »

marssaxman wrote: post #189
uncletscollie wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not at all how the internet works. Try to download music from Napster and Lars will sue your ass.

No he certainly will not; you will only get sued if you upload Lars' music to share with other people. If you download an illegal copy, the person you downloaded from is the one breaking the law.

You're breaking the law too - just like accepting stolen goods is also breaking the law, not just selling them.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by coldtea »

marssaxman wrote: post #198
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you don't think downloading something from The Pirate Bay constitutes copyright infringement provided you don't republish it?

Precisely. The person sharing is the one breaking the law.

You are wrong then. Confidently wrong.

U.S.: Downloading = infringement. If prosecuted, usually gets civil lawsuits/fines, not jail.

E.U.: Same — both downloading/hosting illegal, but hosts get cracked down harder.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by godelski »

marssaxman wrote: post #187
godelski wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> using his own copy of the data Yes? That is a different thing? I guess we can keep moving the topic until we're talking about the same topic if you want. But honestly, I don't want to have that kind of conversation.

How is it a different thing? Are we talking about copyright law, or not?

Before you were talking about data you don't own on hardware you do. Now you're talking about data you do own.

The whole thing is about who owns the data!

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Post by estimator7292 »

marssaxman wrote: post #88
TheRoque wrote: post #68

To be honest, these companies already stole terabytes of data and don't even disclose their dataset, so you have to assume they'll steal and train at anything you throw at them

"Reading stuff freely posted on the internet" constitutes stealing now? Seems like an excessively draconian interpretation of property rights.

As long as people are being prosecuted for piracy or having their livelihoods compromised for including a 16 second clip of a song, yes.

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Post by whattheheckheck »

szczepano wrote: post #131
nbulka wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No you don't. You don't have to assume people are going to be bad! We should not normalize it either.

You can and should safely assume people can do anything that's possible to do. Weather something is bad or good is a term of historical debate.

Jack Sparrow was right
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