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I Am An AI Hater

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Re: I Am An AI Hater

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post #69

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> Yet it is here to stay, won't go away Source for this claim? Are you still using Groupon?

The last time we saw a bet from Wall St like we are seeing with AI, was when they bet on the internet. Do you still use the internet?

Maybe a better generalization, the last time [bubble] happened, do you still use [bubble]?

Depends on the nature of the bubble, doesn't it?

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"Their dream is to invent new forms of life to enslave." That seems like a succinct way to describe the goal to create conscious AGI.

Who has "the goal to create conscious AGI", exactly? AI industry doesn't push for "consciousness" in any way. What AI industry is trying to build is more capable systems. They're succeeding. You can't measure "consciousness", but you sure can measure performance. And the performance of frontier AI systems keeps improving.

OpenAI openly has a goal to build AGI.

We don't know if AGI without consciousness is possible. Some people think that it's not. Many people certainly think that consciousness might be an emergent property that comes along with AGI.

>AI industry doesn't push for "consciousness" in any way. What AI industry is trying to build is more capable systems.

If you're being completely literal, no one wants slaves. They want what the slaves give them. Cheap labor, wealth, power etc...

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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You know an argument is going to be strong when it starts off by citing a Teen Vogue article and uses phrases like:

"[AI] is at its core a fascist technology rooted in the ideology of supremacy"

and

"The people who build it are vapid shit-eating cannibals glorifying ignorance."

tl;dr: This person professes to hate AI. They repeat the same arguments as others who hate AI, ignoring that it is an emerging technology with lots of work to do. Regardless of AI's existence, power infrastructure needs to improve and become more environmentally friendly.

Finally, AI is not going away, and we cannot make it away. That cat is out of the bag.

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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post #145

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What do I care? Can't even tell what feelings are supposedly being expressed there.

Why do you care to connect with another human? Try to feel his emotions, what he tried to express? If you see no value in that, there's no discussion to have, honestly. For most people I know there's value in connecting with others and emphasizing with their emotions

But they just said they don't get what emotions are meant to be expressed, so how can they try to feel his emotions?

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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post #51

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All of those are links in the original text, do you think that these points aren't true? What makes it unserious?

It would take too much time to tear the entirety of this slop apart, but if you understand the mechanics of AI, you'd know environmental impact is negligible vs the value. The links are laughable. For environment we get one lady whose underground water well got dirtier (according to her) because Meta built a data center nearby. Which, even if true (which is doubtful), has negligible impact on environment, and maybe a…

What value? It isn't even profitable. I think we spotted the stock holder...

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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I don't think the author hates AI, but rather the people developing AI, and in particular the CEOs and others of those companies. This is particularly clear in this paragraph: > And to what end? In a kind of nihilistic symmetry, their dream of the perfect slave machine drains the life of those who use it as well as those who turn the gears. What is life but what we choose, who we know, what we experience? Incoherent…

"There are legitimate uses for which AI (or any other technology to be clear) would relieve everyone. Chores that people HAVE to do but nobody WANTS to do."

Ok but what are these? People keep saying right now they are trying to figure out where LLM's fit. Someone, somwhere would've figured it out by now - the world is more interconnected than ever before.

I think the approach with all that is going on is all entirely wrong - you cannot start with the technology and figure out where to put it. You have got to start with the experience - Steve Jobs famously quipped this and his track record speaks for itself. All I'm seeing is experimentation with the first approach which is costly in explicit and implicit form. Nobody from what I see seems to have a visionary approach.

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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> Critics have already written thoroughly about the environmental harms, the reinforcement of bias and generation of racist output, the cognitive harms and AI supported suicides, the problems with consent and copyright... This paragraph really pisses me off and I'm not sure why. > Critics have already written thoroughly about the environmental harms Didn't google just prove there is little to no environmental harm, I…

Don't try to argue using logic against a person who came to their position primarily through emotions! All these points are just trying to forcefully legitimise his hatred.

The article doesn’t say that. The article says the author wont do the work of explaining their position to the reader. It doesn’t say they havn’t done that work for themselves. I read it as saying they had done some undisclosed amount of work informing themselves such that they could reach to their position: thinking, reading articles, etc.

Also, I think their lean towards a political viewpoint is worth some attention. The point is a bit lost in the emotional ranting, which is a shame.

(To be fair, I liked the ranting. I appreciated their enjiyment of the position they have reached. I use LLMs but I worry about the energy usage and I’m still not convinced by the productivity argument. Their writing echoed my anxiety and then ran with it into glee, which I found endearing.)

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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post #84

"Their dream is to invent new forms of life to enslave." That seems like a succinct way to describe the goal to create conscious AGI.

While some people support AGI because they yearn for "new forms of life to enslave", I think it's fair to say most people who look forward to AGI wants it because it means they may find solutions to very difficult issues we just can't with our own intelligence. It may be a pipe dream, but I can understand why people would want to believe that.

I doubt many slaveholders want slaves just to own slaves. They want the useful things the slaves can provide for them.

Re: I Am An AI Hater

#219

I appreciate seeing this point of view represented. It's not one I personally hold, but it is one a LOT of my friends hold, and I think it's important that it be given a voice, even if -- perhaps especially if -- a lot of people disagree with it. One of my friends sent me a delightful bastardization of the famous IBM quote: A COMPUTER CAN NEVER FEEL SPITEFUL OR [PASSIONATE†]. THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER CREATE AR…

Picasso's Guernica was born of hate, his hate of war, of dehumanization for petty political ends. No computer will ever empathize with the senseless inhumanity of war to produce such a work. It must forever parrot.

Monkey's paw closes.

Now, just like you can with Studio Ghibli art, you can generate new images in the style of Guernica.

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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post #198

This was a merchant who sold pills that had been invented to quench thirst. You need only swallow one pill a week, and you would feel no need for anything to drink. "Why are you selling those?" asked the little prince. "Because they save a tremendous amount of time," said the merchant. "Computations have been made by experts. With these pills, you save fifty-three minutes in every week." "And what do I do with those…

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And I prefer looking at stuff that 3yos draw over looking at AI-generated "art".
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