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Uncomfortable Questions About Android Developer Verification

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The requirement of verification to side-load any app is fascist control. It is clear as night and day. Shame on Google and Apple, it was always clear this was the end goal and next up is also your PC. Right after will come the removal off apps they don't like and there is nothing you can do about it. Stallman was right

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The Android stack, right back to the pre-aquisition "Danger" stack, ripped out everything GPL'd above the kernel, and Google has been investing in their "fuschia" project to make a non-GPL'dv kernel as well. Gradually making more and more of it proprietary was the plan. Google is a big company and there may have been some factions pushing to make android an open ecosystem, but I don't see that that was ever the compa…

So the real question is: Why are people so social and pleasant, and why are companies so egoistic (and I mean egoistic in the cancer/parasitic/enshitifying way, not in the Ayn-Rand/social/We-are-all-equal way). Is it the lack of deep, DNA encoded morality? What are we going to do about this? What is the DNA of an organization anyway? How, as a society can we take away these stimuli that make it so natural to consume…

> Why are people so social and pleasant, and why are companies so egoistic (and I mean egoistic in the cancer/parasitic/enshitifying way, not in the Ayn-Rand/social/We-are-all-equal way).

It's specifically publicly-traded companies, because they cease to be controlled by real people who can make a human decision when there is a trade off between a marginal increase in profits and not being schmuck.

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Android is no longer open-source, with a move like this. In the past few years, it has become obscene how emboldened the corpos have gotten with how far they are willing to push to mine every last crumb of data, eager to sell it to dangerous government bodies.

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I asked an LLM, so I think I get it but could you try to mention what is meant with "Stallman was right"? The reason I'm asking you and not posting the LLM answer is because it still feels a bit icky to post an LLM answer for everything I don't understand [1]. [1] Feel free to discuss this too, if you want. I'm developing my opinion on it.

Probably https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html , mentioned elsewhere in the thread.

I wish it was as absurd today as it was the first time I read it.

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My bank blocks my mobile with Lineage OS, and it's not even possible to login to the web site without the mobile app. Absolutely pathetic. Now I have to keep my 4 year old phone with 2 year outdated Android to access the bank application. Which deemed more safe then my mobile with latest security updates. Haha

It's even better than that. Banks (for example Revolut) consider several years old phones, running ancient OS (last I checked they allowed A10) without security updates for some 7 years, so riddled with zero-click/RCE vulnerabilities, but they do not allow GrapheneOS, which is currently the safest OS in mobiles (on par/beating iOS, depending whom you ask). Yes, banks* claim phones riddled with maximum severity securi…

These are the same banks that very often have no app-based MFA login, and refuse to do anything other than send me an SMS TOTP.

The irony is that they'd rather suffer losses from fraud if the fraud is less than the cost of setting up App-based TOTP and a campaign to get customers to use the app. Yet they suddenly get all in a huff about PCI compliance as CYA so they don't have to pay an app developer to figure out how to check "is phone rooted? Yes. Which OS?"

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> Why is it so complex to have a foss mobile OS. This is not too hard. What is hard is to trust it enough. A FOSS OS, by definition, allows to install whatever software, and allows for modification of itself. It is built to overcome limitations, not impose them. In this regard, it's a perfect tool for a criminal who wants to circumvent security measures, because these are limitations. It's the same problem as with ch…

> They choose iOS because it's locked down and thus they cannot inadvertently do something they don't understand, and can't be bothered to learn. More importantly, their grandmother cannot do something she doesn't understand but scammers persuade her to do. For what it's worth scammers have zero problems scamming grandmothers with Apple computers and iphones.

Yeah, the idea that people using iOS can't do something dangerous that they don't understand is absurd. They get scammed all the time.

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This shouldn't just be "questions"; this should be a full-on opposition. Do not give them even an inch, or they'll take a mile. "debugger vendors in 2047 distributed numbered copies only, and only to officially licensed and bonded programmers." - Richard Stallman, The Right to Read , 1997

In near future I’d expect locked down phones and pads become more prevalent than laptops/desktops and most people don’t even own something that is not locked down.

Even laptops can be locked down too.

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My bank blocks my mobile with Lineage OS, and it's not even possible to login to the web site without the mobile app. Absolutely pathetic. Now I have to keep my 4 year old phone with 2 year outdated Android to access the bank application. Which deemed more safe then my mobile with latest security updates. Haha

You do have the option to change your bank when they consistently do dumb stuff you don't approve of. Shopping around will probably get you a better savings rate anyway.

Unfortunately, not an option right now. Setting up foreign currency payout is difficult in my country, a lot of paperworks needed, we don't even have PayPal. Also, the previous autocratic government, that was forcefully expelled after a bloody movement, left most of the banks in ruin. So not a lot of options left.

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This shouldn't just be "questions"; this should be a full-on opposition. Do not give them even an inch, or they'll take a mile. "debugger vendors in 2047 distributed numbered copies only, and only to officially licensed and bonded programmers." - Richard Stallman, The Right to Read , 1997

Why is it so complex to have a foss mobile OS. I only have Linux PCs (laptops) and servers, 100% of my work and personal stuff is done there (though for work I do need to hop into MS365, Google Workspace, Zoom, etc, hooray for browsers, my final firewall between me and the walled gardens, though we can have a whole discussion on that). For mobile, we have PostmarketOS, Phosh, Ubuntu Touch. I really must try living in…

On the cyberdeck note, I think the dawn of mobile computing is superseding smart phones and I rather move to flip phone + mobile Linux and keep them distinctly separated

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Meanwhile: VW is already limiting horsepower when the yearly subscription is ceased to be paid It's already happening. The greediness of vendors, the ignorance of users...

Back in the 90s Sun sold you computers with X amount of space. There was an option to upgrade. If you took it, they sent a technician around to do the upgrade. All they did was making the already existing space available. Sun always sold hardware with all the space installed but gave you only what you paid for.

I wonder if such actions can become a reason for persecution. Let me make an allegory: if I sold someone thing that is designed to break on purpose, and then requested pay for fixing it, it would be a felony. Why the remote downgrading is not considered a felony?
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