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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by madmod »

nrp wrote: post #4

I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.

Awesome job on following through with the upgradability! I love the nvidia support!

Are you coming out with another coolermaster case for the 16 mainboard?

I want to make a custom dock with fans to force more cooling over the radiators. Could it be possible to "unlock" the 100W TDP of the 5070 in firmware or are there other hardware limitations like the interconnect?

Was adding the USB C power input on the GPU necessary to get full power? I see in the specs on github that VADP_GPU can take 100W into the mainboard and VSYS_GPU can supply 240W to the GPU. Are there any tradeoffs powering the system from the back ports vs the GPU?

Was the previous version of the AMD GPU not sending the display signal directly to the panel via the edp mux but instead via the igpu? If not is that something you can update in firmware? Can you publish how this was done so someone can make an oculink expansion board with displayport input?

Thanks to everyone at Framework for making such awesome hackable products!

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by madmod »

ksec wrote: post #41
iknowstuff wrote: post #32

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I’ve never missed having buttons on the macbook trackpad lol How are they slower/impossible?

Problem is none of the trackpad on PC are as good as the Apple trackpad

You could try putting a trackpad from a macbook into the framework. AFAIK the palm rejection is all in the firmware. The apple trackpad is USB. If you look at the code for Asahi Linux it could tell you more.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by jvanderbot »

chpatrick wrote: post #142
jvanderbot wrote: post #126

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It'd be nice if I could upgrade my old Framework into this spec. Infinitely upgradeable is nice on a per product line basis. But new product lines still lead to obsolescence and in this case regret.

You can upgrade your old Framework 16 to this. Framework 13 wouldn't work anyway because it's a different chassis.

That's exactly my point. When I bought the 13 I figured there would be these kinds of upgrades down the road. You're right to say that was stupid and it was. And next there will be the framework 17, a 16 that's not backwards compatible or something?

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by [deleted] »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #55
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #31

Will Framework ever ship high-end laptops, or is the niche always going to be low-to-mid spec repairable? The specification targets on them are always chronically low.

What do you mean by high end? The Framework 13 can be configured with an AMD AI 370 (12 cores/24 threads zen5), a 2.8k 120 hz display, 96GB of ram and an 8TB SSD. That seems pretty high end to me?

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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by trelane »

whalesalad wrote: post #164
9x39 wrote: post #140

Anyone using Framework for a daily driver that can compare to an M-series Macbook? Specifically, battery life on your OS. Does anything compare to a MBP these days? From a value proposition, it seems good. Our group definitely goes through keyboards and mainboards from spilled tea at least annually it seems, but AppleCare is just a no-brainer, and away we go. I still drive on my original M1 at home without complaint,…

Some interesting discussion around this topic yesterday here - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45019483 Unfortunately I do not think anyone comes remotely close to Apple in the battery life department. I have an M2 Air that I really adore, but after driving Linux on my workstation for the last 2 years I want to explore Linux laptops. All my research has concluded that if you care about longevity, a Mac is the on…

The Lemur Pro gets up to 14: https://system76.com/laptops/lemp13/configure

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

jvanderbot wrote: post #213
chpatrick wrote: post #142

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You can upgrade your old Framework 16 to this. Framework 13 wouldn't work anyway because it's a different chassis.

That's exactly my point. When I bought the 13 I figured there would be these kinds of upgrades down the road. You're right to say that was stupid and it was. And next there will be the framework 17, a 16 that's not backwards compatible or something?

There are a bunch of upgrades that have come out for the 13, new gens of intel and AMD boards, new displays, new keyboard options, etc.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by panzerboiler »

ezst wrote: post #208
panzerboiler wrote: post #195

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You click and drag with one finger and you are free to scroll with two other fingers during the drag. It is a multitouch gesture. (I don't use "tap to click" since I always found it cumbersome)

Just for me to understand, you navigate to that thing you want to drag, then press harder (without the double-tap+move in short sequence, do there's that), and that registers a drag event? Could you do the "press harder" part with, e.g. a thumb in an other region of the touchpad instead of the finger that did the navigation?

Yes, you can. As long as one finger is "pressing hard-ish" a second finger can command the drag position, but if the finger that is pressing (you do not need to press very hard to trigger a click) is not the one that is also moving, then you will have issues when also scrolling with two other fingers, because at that point you have 4 fingers touching the trackpad, and by default you get anoter gesture registered (probably a zoom out to see all the windows in the workspace, called "expose"). If the fingers touching the trackpad are "only" three, you can drag and scroll, with the window that receives the scroll being the one under the pointer/item being dragged.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by trelane »

tracker1 wrote: post #203
bluGill wrote: post #144

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Framework is also for linux users who want some assurance everything will work.

+1 on this... I keep saying, I wish that System76 could work with Framework to sell a model with PopOS preinstalled and supported by System76. I'd pay an extra $200 just for that, not that everyone would be willing to pay extra since Framework is already at a bit of a price premium. Most other Linux vendors (Tuxedo, Slimbook, etc) seem to be mostly EU centered and based, which is a bit of a negative if you're in the…

I don't think Linux users would pay for it. It would pretty much be a loss (support isna form of insurance--you have a pool of covered users, and they need not in aggregate cost more than the company takes in). And System76 needs to also change the firmware to support Linux (is why buying the Clevo model they co-designed and throwing Linux on it won't work like you hope.)

Plus, I suspect System76 would want to have a lot of control over the design that they would end up on the hook for.

If you want PopOS and/or System76 support, they're right there. You can just buy and use their kit.

Maybe Framework could be another System76 ODM, though.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by ffin »

poisonborz wrote: post #172

Fantastic update, it has everything that made the first version a dealbreaker for me - it was just too weak. I feared Framework will position its 2in1 as a "student laptop", glad to hear they expand on it. We sorely need more competition in the 2in1 segment, there aren't many good options. Either gaming laptops (no long commitment, bad build quality) or Lenovo Yogas (bad value, limited/weak hw options).

I think you may be confused. This is an upgrade for the Framework 16, not the Framework 12, which is the 2-in-1.
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