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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by astrange »

Bender wrote: post #60
okasaki wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UK site blocking isn't done with DNS. I think they mess with routes at the ISP level. There's not much you can do except use a VPN.

4chan uses Cloudflare. Blocking routes to Cloudflare may have an interesting impact unless CF are cooperating with the UK. 4chan could stop using CF but their moderators will have to step up their game as CF is being used to detect and block CSAM.

Cloudflare isn't capable of that - it can only block downloading CSAM not uploading it. (Which means the moderators wouldn't be able to see it either.)

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Post by HDThoreaun »

LexiMax wrote: post #78
supriyo-biswas wrote: post #65

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DNS poisoning and rejection of TLS handshakes based on SNI.

That's one domain down. Only 3,524 domains that just cropped up yesterday to go. Never mind the fact that doing a Google search will surface pages on various wikis, git repositories, and other sites that conveniently list all of the mirrors.

Big enough barrier to stop most users

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Post by HankStallone »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #184
lenerdenator wrote: post #103

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Unfortunately the representatives in Congress gave the tariff power to the Presidency. Now, did they do that with the approval of the voters? Ostensibly, yes, but in reality, it's not that clear-cut. This would be more like if the Thirteen Colonies had MPs and those MPs still voted in favor of the Stamp Act, or they voted to delegate the power to tariff to someone with a severe personality disorder.

It infuriates me just how much members of Congress have abdicated their jobs and given power to the president to make unilateral decisions. I wonder if we need a constitutional amendment (not that we could get such a thing to pass in this day and age), because it is a complete perversion of how our government is supposed to work. For a long time now I've been banging the drum of "don't put power in the president's ha…

Congressmen have to get reelected, so over the years they've been glad to abdicate power to the executive, the judiciary, and the unelected bureaucracy. Anyone but themselves, so they didn't have to sign their names to the unpopular policies they wanted. They still got what the ruling class wanted, but indirectly, so it rarely threatened their incumbency. Whatever happened, they could tell the votes back home, "Sorry, we tried to pass/stop such-and-such, but we don't have any control over the president/courts/bureaucrats. Can't blame me."

It worked pretty well as long as the ruling class were all pretty much on the same page about most things, with some "social issues" differences between the parties that they used for campaigning but never quite acted on. It works less well if different factions start competing and going against the status quo for real.

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Post by quesera »

dingnuts wrote: post #99
Barrin92 wrote: post #89

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there's a reason anecdotes aren't data. While people are more divided on the effectiveness, there's pretty overwhelming pubblic support for laws like the Online Safety Act. https://yougov.co.uk/technology/articles/52693-how-have-brit... It's always slightly surprising to see Americans online react to this thinking there is some Illuminati conspiracy happening. Britain and Europe are not the US, we don't have much of…

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Ignorant and dismissive, sure. But racist? What does that word mean, then?

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

mindslight wrote: post #174
GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #96

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> System's got that on lock by setting it up so the people most predisposed to fight the government are actually cheering on the new taxes more likely, proving that this group of people never actually believed in anything.

I don't see how that is a more useful model than what I said. Maybe for rallying people to oppose the current problems. But it feels like such preaching to the choir mainly serves to exacerbate the "culture war" that helps shut off people's thinking to begin with. So pushing that way might help win the immediate battle, but it also helps lose the overall war.

i don't think it contributes to the culture war to recognize that most people are not truly engaged in a collective sense, and that we are trapped within a self-reproducing system that relies on that:

"...the autocratic reign of the market economy which had acceded to an irresponsible sovereignty, and the totality of new techniques of government which accompanied this reign."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectacle_(critical_theory)

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Post by grues-dinner »

overfeed wrote: post #139
hkt wrote: post #127

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The UK hasn't elected a government on 50% or more of the vote since the 1950s: https://www.statista.com/statistics/717004/general-elections... It is hard to call minority rule democratic, really. I've no issue with your point on the OSA and think it is widely supported, but let's be realistic, representation in the UK is virtual on matters like this: widely supported, but mostly by coincidence.

2-party electoral systems (likely to bear >50% majority governments) are also not very democratic, in a way. There's no perfect system, but I prefer minority governments to a 2-party duopoly. YMMV.

The UK has been effectively a two party system anyway within living memory (Labour and Tories). Only rarely (e.g. 2010) does the token third party, the Lib Dems) get to be in coalition, and I think no one else has won anything since 1910.

In a monkey's paw moment for everyone who dislikes only having effectively two parties to choose from, this may soon be changing as Reform is poised to overtake the Tories.

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

nickdothutton wrote: post #22

Step 1, pass law. Step 2, demand compliance. Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines. Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2). Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc. 5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.

Performative or outright extortion.

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Post by qingcharles »

aaomidi wrote: post #72
postexitus wrote: post #34

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For you - not for 99% of the public.

In countries like Iran 80%+ of the population knows how to. It’s all a matter of incentives.

This. Practically the entire Middle East has blocks on sites like porn. Every household I know pays for a VPN that they share with all their family members.

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Post by Bender »

fiso64 wrote: post #194
Bender wrote: post #181

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I thought about that as well. This would be true if team-hiromoot is not cooperating with the bot owners, otherwise the bots could simply be excluded given all their traffic is authenticated with a 4chan pass. Other chans have manipulated their stats to change how active they appear so it's really hard for me to rely upon that.

At this point your hypothesis is unfalsifiable. I was on /g/ before and after the hack and didn't detect any big changes. It was as shitty as ever.

Yeah the only way I could really prove anything would be to fully own and operate the site, a task I would never take on. It might be interesting and educational for a day but without government immunity it would get risky fast.

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Post by DaSHacka »

monkey_monkey wrote: post #166
mintplant wrote: post #135

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> The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island What do you mean by this?

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Could just as easily be referring to brexit.
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