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Re: DeepSeek-v3.1

#211

Reminder DeepSeek is a Chinese company whose headstart is attributed to stealing IP from American companies. Without the huge theft, they'd be nowhere.

Can you contrast this with Western companies? What are the Chinese companies stealing that Western companies aren’t? Do you mean tech or content?

Re: DeepSeek-v3.1

#212

Reminder DeepSeek is a Chinese company whose headstart is attributed to stealing IP from American companies. Without the huge theft, they'd be nowhere.

Reminder that OpenAI is an American company whose headstart is attributed to stealing copyrighted material from everyone else. Without the huge theft, they'd be nowhere.

Re: DeepSeek-v3.1

#213

Reminder DeepSeek is a Chinese company whose headstart is attributed to stealing IP from American companies. Without the huge theft, they'd be nowhere.

If an American company did this, it would be "innovative bootstrapping". Yawn.

Re: DeepSeek-v3.1

#214

Reminder DeepSeek is a Chinese company whose headstart is attributed to stealing IP from American companies. Without the huge theft, they'd be nowhere.

I can't say whether those claims are true. But even if they were, it feels selective. Every major AI company trained on oceans of data they didn't create or own. The whole field was built on "borrowing" IP, open-source code, academic papers, datasets, art, text, you name it.

Drawing the line only now... saying this is where copying stops being okay doesn't seem very fair. No AI company is really in a position to whine about it from my POV (ignoring any lawyer POV). Cue the world's smallest violin

Re: DeepSeek-v3.1

#215

Reminder DeepSeek is a Chinese company whose headstart is attributed to stealing IP from American companies. Without the huge theft, they'd be nowhere.

I find it hilarious you felt the need to make this comment in defense of American LLMs. You know that American LLMs aren’t trained ethically either, right? Many people’s data was used for training without their permission.

BTW DeepSeek has contributed a lot, with actual white papers describing in detail their optimizations. How are the rest of the American AI labs doing in contributing research and helping one another advance the field?

Re: DeepSeek-v3.1

#216

Reminder DeepSeek is a Chinese company whose headstart is attributed to stealing IP from American companies. Without the huge theft, they'd be nowhere.

Reminder that OpenAI is an American company whose headstart is attributed to stealing copyrighted material from everyone else. Without the huge theft, they'd be nowhere.

Last I checked, as it concerns the training of their models, all legal challenges are pending. No theft has yet been proven, as they used publicly available data.

Re: DeepSeek-v3.1

#217

Reminder DeepSeek is a Chinese company whose headstart is attributed to stealing IP from American companies. Without the huge theft, they'd be nowhere.

As if those american companies played fair with training their AIs

It's theft all the way down, son

Re: DeepSeek-v3.1

#218
post #211

Reminder DeepSeek is a Chinese company whose headstart is attributed to stealing IP from American companies. Without the huge theft, they'd be nowhere.

Can you contrast this with Western companies? What are the Chinese companies stealing that Western companies aren’t? Do you mean tech or content?

Ethics of Chinese vs. Western companies? Everything. I'm sure you're aware of how many hundreds of $billions of American IP are stolen by Chinese companies.

Re: DeepSeek-v3.1

#220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll venture that whoever is going to fine-tune their own models probably already has llama.cpp installed somewhere, or can install if required. Please, please , never silently attempt to mutate the state of my machine, that is not a good practice at all and will break things more often than it will help because you don't know how the machine is set up in the first place.

Oh yes so before we install llama.cpp we do an path environment check and if its not defined then it'll install. But yes agreed there won't be any more random package installs sorry!

Thanks for the reply! If I can find the time (that's a pretty big if), I'll try to send a PR to help with the packaging.
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