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Newsmax agrees to pay $67M in defamation case over bogus 2020 election claims

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I see so much hate for James Carville but he was right. Grocery prices affect more people than abortions so why the hell did Dems run on abortions?!

The other candidate went on stage and said - he’d lower the grocery prices on day 1 , and then declares off-stage: once prices go up, they never come down . He told Palestinian-Americans in Michigan - he’d bring peace in Palestine . People were so desperate to hear what they wanted to hear - whether lower prices or peace back home. He sold lies to everyone; I don’t see Democrats doing that. Ironically, prices are com…

The democrats were rerunning Joe Biden as their candidate when he was obviously unfit mentally while they were claiming he was.

They were also lying.

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Harris would have had an uphill battle even if she had a full campaign cycle. After quizzing many conservatives, I unfortunately heard entirely too many responses of, "women leaders are unstable", "wouldn't be respected on the world stage", "she fakes her accent(s)", "I don't even know what she campaigned on", and other mind-boggling reasons they wouldn't vote for her. At this point, I have lost all faith in the Amer…

I have one conservative friend who insists she is stupid and has none of her own opinions (just a mini-Biden). Mind boggling indeed.

> has none of her own opinions (just a mini-Biden)

She did mess up an opportunity to show that she wasn't just Biden v2 in an interview at some point, when asked what she might have done differently, there was nothing she could think of. Nothing at all.

That was an open goal to differentiate that she missed.

But I'm not sure it would have made a difference.

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I have one conservative friend who insists she is stupid and has none of her own opinions (just a mini-Biden). Mind boggling indeed.

> friend who insists she is stupid I believe she did great during her nomination acceptance speech and during debate as well. But, you can’t make people understand something if they don’t want to.

I'm not her biggest fan, but yes, she did good in her debate and acceptance speech.

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Ahh, Australia, "so obviously corrupt" that mandatory voting is the only thing that lends an air of democracy. I love this notion that the US is such a special snowflake that there's always a reason that things that work nearly everywhere else couldn't possibly work here.

Your individual opinion of Australia, name calling, appeal to group behavior, and vague "things that work everywhere" doesn't negate the fact that not voting is a form of protest (or often just a simple preference) that a healthy democracy shouldn't have an issue with. After all, if nine months of partisan rioting in an election season is kosher before a "free and fair election", which leads to over twenty five death…

> not voting is a form of protest

I very much agree.

In Australia you can go along, write "screw you" on the ballot, job done, attendance recorded.

And the fine if you miss it is only a few bucks. It's a good nudge get everyone participating.

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> I happen to think the pros aren't worth the cons and that most of the handwringing around mail in ballots and machines are FUD rather than measured concerns. You can't trust the machines. You can't trust the election authorities. You can't trust the post office. Those are fundamental assumptions, not FUD or measured concerns. Elections should be designed for bad situations, because the results don't matter that muc…

>The goal is not 100% security, 100% correctness, or something equally silly. The goal is a system where either every major party has a justified belief that the elections were legitimate and fair, the reported results are mostly correct, and there was no substantial fraud. Or at least one party questions the results due to widespread fraud. You want to trust the results, even when you can't trust the people running…

In the system I'm familiar with, votes are counted twice. The first count is done on site, by the same people who staffed the polling station. It's important that the votes are counted and the results are published before those people leave and before the ballots are moved.

Then there is a second count that produces the official results. That count is done at a higher level (county-equivalent for most elections and city/municipality for local elections), largely to ensure a more uniform treatment for various edge cases.

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I see so much hate for James Carville but he was right. Grocery prices affect more people than abortions so why the hell did Dems run on abortions?!

The other candidate went on stage and said - he’d lower the grocery prices on day 1 , and then declares off-stage: once prices go up, they never come down . He told Palestinian-Americans in Michigan - he’d bring peace in Palestine . People were so desperate to hear what they wanted to hear - whether lower prices or peace back home. He sold lies to everyone; I don’t see Democrats doing that. Ironically, prices are com…

Lying is generally not illegal so the composition of the Supreme Court is irrelevant on that point.

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> The problem is that Republican-controlled states have arranged to systematically make it harder for urban people to get ID cards Source? The fact is you need ID for SNAP and Medicaid benefits. So who are all these people with no ID, no money, no food, no identity, no anything but somehow all eligible voters?

Why do you assume the people targeted must have no money, or use SNAP or Medicaid?

I believe we refer to that as “telling on yourself”.

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It's pretty sad that is these sort of ticky-tacky lawsuits are really the only mechanism we seem have of holding these "news" networks responsible for brazen repeated lies that are hugely damaging to our society (like saying a election was stolen). And that wasn't even the problem, it's that their lies created damages for another corporation.

They are entertainment and should be treated that way. And what of the damage our federal government is doing to many corporations, universities, cities, and individuals? Should they have sue the government? It's all so absurd when people stop following the rules.

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It's pretty sad that is these sort of ticky-tacky lawsuits are really the only mechanism we seem have of holding these "news" networks responsible for brazen repeated lies that are hugely damaging to our society (like saying a election was stolen). And that wasn't even the problem, it's that their lies created damages for another corporation.

> holding these "news" networks responsible for brazen repeated lies that are hugely damaging to our society But that moron in WH is still spreading lies about that election; he has no shame, no remorse, no nothing. On the contrary, he was successful in portraying himself a victim and win people’s sympathy. Even though he’s the one who called insurrection. There’s no accountability for him. Look at South Korea, who i…

Right. Shouldn't the judgement be against the main perpetrator? They're wrong too, but if they are isn't everyone else also doing slander and libel?

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The other candidate went on stage and said - he’d lower the grocery prices on day 1 , and then declares off-stage: once prices go up, they never come down . He told Palestinian-Americans in Michigan - he’d bring peace in Palestine . People were so desperate to hear what they wanted to hear - whether lower prices or peace back home. He sold lies to everyone; I don’t see Democrats doing that. Ironically, prices are com…

The democrats were rerunning Joe Biden as their candidate when he was obviously unfit mentally while they were claiming he was. They were also lying.

Um. Tr*mp is the most unhinged and stupid person. He's never been able to form a coherent sentence and can only exist because he was born a millionaire.

I always thought Biden was much smarter, well spoken, and honest than Tr*mp. Do you disagree?

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