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Hyundai wants loniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move

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Post by nsteel »

hgomersall wrote: post #137
nsteel wrote: post #111

I don't know about the Hyundai Ioniq, but the Kia Niro has no way to permanently disable keyless entry, which would be the obvious, super easy s/w fix. You can disable it each time you lock your car by holding extra buttons on the fob for a few secs, but it's auto re-enabled next time you unlock. It's everything you need to know before you make your smart decision not to buy a Kia. Cheap(er) for a reason. But looks f…

My 2021 Ioniq 5 does not have keyless entry at all. You need to press the button to open the door.

Do you mean the button on the door handler or the button on the key fob? The former is their keyless entry and is vulnerable to attack. I was under the impression all Ioniq 5s had this feature, but obviously I defer to your experience.

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Post by mft_ »

radiator wrote: post #161
mft_ wrote: post #122

Hmmm, so recently: ̶ ̶H̶y̶u̶n̶d̶a̶i̶ ̶K̶i̶a̶ ̶V̶o̶l̶k̶s̶w̶a̶g̶e̶n̶ ̶ At this rate, I'll be back to Tesla for any future EV purchase. (Noting that Tesla second-hand prices in Europe seem to have taken a dive over the past while, presumably partly thanks to Elon's shenanighans?)

Rather because some people parked their Teslas on public roads and later found them vandalized.

...which was a response (along with Nazi symbols on dealerships, etc.) to Elon's political shenanighans.

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Post by mft_ »

kawfey wrote: post #191
karlgkk wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slate has not shipped yet.

I'm hopeful but pessimistic about Slate. There is still time for them to A.) raise prices because of "unforeseen" issues, B.) enshittify with tech or wacky pricing structures.

I'm optimistic - not least because the very name of the company links to its mission and the 'blank slate' concept behind the cars.

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Post by mft_ »

karlgkk wrote: post #197
kawfey wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm hopeful but pessimistic about Slate. There is still time for them to A.) raise prices because of "unforeseen" issues, B.) enshittify with tech or wacky pricing structures.

I'm hopeful but pessimistic as well. I'm just tired of hearing about Slate. A relatively small amount of people want a product and they use a company that hasn't shipped as validation of their imaginary market size (this company exists, so tons of people want it!) I hope they're successful.

I suspect it's a tech bubble thing.

Similar to how lots of people online (Reddit, HN, etc.) made a lot of noise about wanting a smaller smart phone. Apple released the iphone 12 mini, it didn't do well commercially, and was fairly quickly discontinued.

Most non-tech-bubble-normies cope with crappy in-car systems probably because conceptualising something different is far away from their area of interest and expertise; indeed, many folks actively want/prioritise superficially-impressive tech in their new car. (Lots of people --probably the vast majority-- don't focus on pure usability, privacy, or cybersecurity, when making such decisions.)

I'd expect Slate to appeal to people who need a pickup for work (because it's the most similar EV to an old low-spec Toyota/Ford/etc pickup) and for whom range is not an issue, some who want an EV but are price sensitive, and a handful of others who like the underlying concept.

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Post by hgomersall »

nsteel wrote: post #211
hgomersall wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My 2021 Ioniq 5 does not have keyless entry at all. You need to press the button to open the door.

Do you mean the button on the door handler or the button on the key fob? The former is their keyless entry and is vulnerable to attack. I was under the impression all Ioniq 5s had this feature, but obviously I defer to your experience.

Button on the door handle? I only know about the button on the key fob.

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Post by quantumcotton »

mirzap wrote: post #76
jjani wrote: post #22

They're swapping out hardware, which is why they're asking money for this to compensate the labor costs. Not saying this justifies it, but the title is misleading.

It doesn't matter. If a customer buys faulty hardware, it's the seller's responsibility to replace it with working hardware. If the breaks had a manufacturing defect, you wouldn't expect the customer to pay for the replacement.

What if, the software is significantly more robust than Dodge Chevy Honda or Kia. But! Check this out what if you were offered an additional layer of security? You can choose it or not. It's an option. I didn't see these being easier to steal than a car using a canbus.... If it is. Sure free upgrade. But if this is improving a system that is already less vulnerable than 50% of vehicles. I can see why they'd charge.

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Post by Terr_ »

charcircuit wrote: post #79
Terr_ wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, and even un-sexy and inexpensive vehicles get targeted these days, because they can be used as tools to commit other crimes, not just a commodity to be resold or scavenged.

A stolen car being a tool is why it is a commodity to be resold.

You're confusing "a commodity to the thief, perhaps someday a tool to to whoever receives stolen goods" versus "a tool to the thief."

The first is used in daily commutes, the second is used once as a battering-ram/getaway car before being abandoned in a ditch.

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Post by solardev »

lbourdages wrote: post #193
solardev wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UN has regulations? Who does it have authority over? Who enforces its regulations?

The vast majority of countries have into their laws that road vehicles must adhere to UN vehicle regulations. That's how enforcement happens - by whatever regulatory authority of the country the vehicle is to be used in. Canada and the US are among the exceptions in that they have their own standards.

I had no idea (as a person in the US). Thanks for the info!

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Post by throwaway290 »

bobthepanda wrote: post #207
throwaway290 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bet the stock car is 100% secure in Korea. Maybe you live in a country where car thieves hack into cars left and right. Maybe you live in a country where thieves just tow your car in the middle of the day and don't care about your locks at all. Do you expect car maker to ship you free fixes against every scenario? Security is a spectrum. Make your police better if you don't like it. /controversial opinion

South Korea has a fairly active neighbor in the cybercrime scene.

North Koreans don't walk around Seoul streets stealing cars!

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Post by GlacierFox »

cmcaleer wrote: post #152
GlacierFox wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given what the car costs, you'd think they'd do this out of courtesy.

It seems short-sighted to not do this as a courtesy, given the reputational hit from the Kia/Hyundai Boyz saga just a few years ago. Who wants to be a manufacturer with a reputation for making easy-to-steal cars? Who wants to (for a reasonable price) insure cars made by said manufacturer?

Exactly.
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