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ADHD drug treatment and risk of negative events and outcomes

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The irony about getting treatment for ADHD is that medical providers make it very hard to get the proper medication and treatment. People with ADHD are horrible at following through and handle rejection poorly. So the worse the ADHD is, the less likely somebody will be able to actually get treatment for it. A lot of people suffer because doctors fear losing their license like so many did during the pain pill debacle.…

This is exactly me.

Exactly.

I got gate-kept with a massive ten page plus questionaire to fill out. Got half way through the laborious free form text responses. Came back the next day and none of my work was saved.

Gave up. Haven't ever gotten back. Because...

Re: ADHD drug treatment and risk of negative events and outcomes

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I've heard it argued that ADHD diagnoses should come with a social worker. Every time I realize it's Friday and I'm gonna run out of medication because I forgot to call in the refill I think about that. Three day weekends are the worst. One workaround I've heard is that you order every 30 days even if you forgot to take your pills one or two times. Any surplus pills go into an old bottle you hide in the back of a dra…

I'm of course not recommending or condoning this, but with instant release it's definitely possible to also get a higher dosage than you actually need and cut the pills up to take the lower dosage you need, and stash the rest to build up a surplus. Or so I've heard.

When I was taking ADHD stimulants I had my core dose (long release) and then a “top-up” dose (5mg instant release) every month. The guy who prescribed me initially may have been a bit of a quack (I had to leave him because my insurance dropped him) but when I switched to a super mainstream doctor she had no problem continuing it.

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I think of this stuff when folks say “trust the science!”. It’s all trust the science until that science conflicts with some broader agenda of a federal agency or a doctor’s whims about risks to their license. Medicine really has a bad problem with groupthink. To get the best healthcare you have to both trust physicians and be critical of them. Then the DEA seems to consider stimulants as a moral failing. I’ve been o…

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There's absolutely people who don't believe in any psychiatric medication, either for religious or just pseudo-scientific reasons. Look at how harshly the United States has treated marijuana users compared to smokers and alcoholics. There's moral and social judgement associated with different substances which is contingent on history and not based in fact.

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The funny thing about this is sex actually does a good job at treating ADHD symptoms. Sad to see most doctors prescribing medication instead of helping kids get laid. Almost argue most adults are doing the opposite which makes me concerned for the population.

I'm confused and concerned. Are you suggesting that adults - doctors - should be... helping... children... get laid...?

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My hypothesis about this for a long time has been stimulants help everyone be more productive (with some tradeoffs) and ADHD is kind of a weakly differentiated diagnosis that could apply to most people. Probably something like this was lost when people stopped smoking, obviously beneficial for health - but a huge amount of the public was taking stimulants regularly via nicotine until relatively recently.

>My hypothesis about this for a long time has been stimulants help everyone be more productive (with some tradeoffs)

Of course they do. They're stimulants, that's what they do. Some people just need them to be closer to normal, or whatever's considered normal in post-Industrial society. Modafinil promotes wakefulness in everyone, not just narcolpetics. Anxiolytics calm down everyone, not just the anxious, and psilocybin makes everyone feel euphoric, not just the depressed. It would be weird if stimulants only had an effect of ADHD patients.

> and ADHD is kind of a weakly differentiated diagnosis that could apply to most people.

I don't think we really understand it yet, but it's not something most people have. As the article mentions, people ADHD have a higher rate of transportation accidents, lower life expectancy, higher crime rates, higher addiction rates, etc. The differences show up in brain scans, performance tests, genetic biomarkers, heritability/twin studies, etc. Whether you think of it as a disability, or brain type, or whatever - ADHD is something real.

> Probably something like this was lost when people stopped smoking, obviously beneficial for health - but a huge amount of the public was taking stimulants regularly via nicotine until relatively recently.

Yes, and this is possibly why 35-55% of adults with ADHD smoke today, compared to 19% of the population. Studies have shown that nicotine is helpful for everyone but particularly helpful for those with ADHD. Nicotine-derived formulations are still being explored.

Re: ADHD drug treatment and risk of negative events and outcomes

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My hypothesis about this for a long time has been stimulants help everyone be more productive (with some tradeoffs) and ADHD is kind of a weakly differentiated diagnosis that could apply to most people. Probably something like this was lost when people stopped smoking, obviously beneficial for health - but a huge amount of the public was taking stimulants regularly via nicotine until relatively recently.

> ADHD is kind of a weakly differentiated diagnosis that could apply to most people

I don't think this hypothesis would survive a look through the literature on google scholar. ADHD is associated with huge increases in risks of suicide, substance abuse, homelessness, accidents, crime, autoimmune disease, etc etc etc. It's not just "damn I find it hard to focus sometimes".

Re: ADHD drug treatment and risk of negative events and outcomes

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> I've heard it argued that ADHD diagnoses should come with a social worker. I know a few people with crippling ADHD that have managed to hire a "life coach" of sorts to help. Takes a bit of screening to find somebody that knows ADHD and how to help with it versus the more generic/useless skills you probably first thought of when you read 'life coach' :). > Every time I realize it's Friday and I'm gonna run out of me…

Can you share a link to that pill dispenser that pushes alerts to your phone please?

I was last researching this a few years ago and the one I had bookmarked is apparently no longer available on Amazon. Doing a quick search for electronic pill dispenser does show several, a few of which are similar in appearance to the one I had bookmarked.
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