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U.S. alcohol consumption drops to a 90-year low, new poll finds

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I recently had a cardiologist wag her finger at me and tell me that recent data pretty much demonstrates that there really isn't any healthy amount of alcohol to consume. 20 years ago, when "1 drink a day is healthiest" was all over the news, I said cheers and picked up the habit. It's kind of hard to break, considering that I really, really enjoy the flavor of alcoholic beverages. Alcohol, as a solvent, allows for f…

A few years ago, I really dug into the research to try to find things to convince my father to stop drinking but all the evidence I could find said the opposite. That not drinking is what is dangerous for longevity. Completely not what I wanted to find or was expecting. I think what is actually happening is we are becoming less of an evidence based society and more of a society based on sentiments. That is what has c…

I've noticed quite a few studies where the author appears to prove their bias:

Pediatricians started asking about guns because someone "proved" that if there are guns in the house, children are more likely to have a gun injury. But, dig in just a little bit and no one differentiates between households where guns are secured and households where guns aren't.

My cardiologist who wagged her finger at me also brought up recent evidence about marijuana usage contributes to heart problems. I know those studies don't differentiate smoking vs edibles. Of course, smoking anything is going to have health problems; thus I'm going to conclude that the study confirms the authors' biases.

I suspect the same with studies about alcohol consumption: The authors may have some kind of bias. For example, what if drinking 120-proof spirits "neat" is likely to cause esophageal cancer, but everything else is safe?

That being said: We live longer than we used to. What used to kill us no longer does, so paying attention closer attention to things long-term effects of moderate alcohol consumption is more important than when we were more likely to at 45.

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post #90

I recently had a cardiologist wag her finger at me and tell me that recent data pretty much demonstrates that there really isn't any healthy amount of alcohol to consume. 20 years ago, when "1 drink a day is healthiest" was all over the news, I said cheers and picked up the habit. It's kind of hard to break, considering that I really, really enjoy the flavor of alcoholic beverages. Alcohol, as a solvent, allows for f…

Reply to her that this is only true for populations, not individuals. Plenty of people who drink age well and plenty of people who don’t drink don’t age well. Statistics say something about aggregates, not individual data points

I find it's best not to argue with (cough) "experts" and just use my own judgement.

See my other comment in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44915807

Re: U.S. alcohol consumption drops to a 90-year low, new poll finds

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There was a pretty good Kurzgesagt video posted earlier today on alcohol in general: https://youtu.be/aOwmt39L2IQ The shift in perception of alcohol is certainly a good sign. Even outside of the health benefits, a night out at the bar is expensive now (at least on the East Coast) and honestly speaking other drugs are simply more cost-effective. I still have the occasional cocktail when going out with friends but now…

> a night out at the bar is expensive now I mean, I understand the economics of it. Rent, wages, pricing, supply and demand, etc. But, like, how messed up are things that hooch is too expensive. Like, it literally grows on trees (if you leave it there a bit). Booze is the thing where sales go up when things get worse (lipstick too, right?). I'm not saying this is a bad thing that we're not drinking as much, but I am…

> But, like, how messed up are things that hooch is too expensive.

In my country, it is now taxed very heavily, and that tax increases every year. I would be insane to choose alcohol as opposed to literally any other drug on a cost basis. I assure you, Cannabis has not raised in price every year.

Re: U.S. alcohol consumption drops to a 90-year low, new poll finds

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This is not a direct response to this article, but related to the topic of not drinking. I'm usually a follower of the latest data and such but I am highly skeptical of all the recent news about how drinking isn't safe in any quantity. The latest data can be wrong. No different than how there was a period of time where UV light was considered this evil to avoid, and now we know it's actually pretty critical to get su…

> No different than how there was a period of time where UV light was considered this evil to avoid, and now we know it's actually pretty critical to get sunlight in moderation (and completely avoiding UV causes its own issues).

The real issue isn’t that we “didn’t know” sunlight has benefits, we’ve known that for ages. Just as we know too much sun has downsides. The problem is that people can’t (or won’t) tailor advice to their own context. What counts as “moderation” in one place looks very different in another.

That’s why I’m healthy and look a decade younger than my age, while my younger sister already looks older than me and has had five skin cancers cut out. Where I live, 5–10 minutes of sun a day is plenty. Where you live, you might need hours.

So “avoid the sun” means radically different things depending on where you are.

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Casinos are also seeing a similar drop

I can only speak to my personal experience, in Vegas, but the electronic machines have become pretty unfriendly to casual players who just want to enjoy themselves. Gone are the true 1-25 cent machines, replaced with games that pretty much require you to wager dollars at a time. Plus Vegas has gotten more entertainment oriented over time, so that the casinos really aren't that interesting anymore. The trend away from…

This is arguably the way all of society has gone. Everything and I mean everything is about extracting money out of you, because the politicians who designed this version of capitalism (no, it's not natural) didn't know about Goodhart's law, or more likely, didn't care.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I didn't even tell my doctor for fear of it ending up in a chart somewhere. Keep not telling them, by the way. All evidence I've found is that (US) life insurers can still refuse to cover you or rate you as less healthy if you admit to cannabis consumption even when it's state-level legal, and you have to sign papers that authorize doctors to disclose EVERYTHING to them to get a policy issued (at least you do once…

Lying on those things voids your policy entirely though.

True, but I still sleep well at night knowing that I've lied to an insurance company about such a triviality, and keeping it out of doctors' files means I won't be caught.
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