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Re: GitHub was having issues

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Post by foobarchu »

zulban wrote: post #190
everfrustrated wrote: post #42

Enterprise customers, remember to email your sales rep and ask for them to report on their contracted uptime with you that you are allowed to do as per contract. They wont do this unless you ask hoping you don't notice the outages. It creates lots of internal pain - they have no automation internally for reporting on this. This is the only way anything will ever change. GitHub is _easily_ the most unreliable SaaS pro…

> GitHub is _easily_ the most unreliable SaaS product. I'm no fan of Microsoft either but when you say ridiculous things it's hard to take you seriously.

Is it that much hyperbole, assuming we ignore small fry SaaS? I've personally noticed at least three outages in the last few weeks alone.

Sure it's less impactful than some services since you don't need access to the website at all times, but the reliability is still really bad.

Re: GitHub was having issues

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

__float wrote: post #201
phlakaton wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But not everybody here has to try and manage many GB or even TB of assets in their VCS. I wager game company build/dev engineers know what they are doing in picking Perforce.

It is a _decision_ to put those assets in the same VCS as your source code. It's not one you are required to make.

...maybe, but there a good reason not to make that decision, assuming you have a VCS that can manage large files?

I am very much not in this industry, but it seems to me that if the assets and code depend on one another, you'd want to keep them together.

Re: GitHub was having issues

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

foobarchu wrote: post #211
zulban wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> GitHub is _easily_ the most unreliable SaaS product. I'm no fan of Microsoft either but when you say ridiculous things it's hard to take you seriously.

Is it that much hyperbole, assuming we ignore small fry SaaS? I've personally noticed at least three outages in the last few weeks alone. Sure it's less impactful than some services since you don't need access to the website at all times, but the reliability is still really bad.

> Is it that much hyperbole, assuming we ignore small fry SaaS?

Well there's Claude for starters.

Re: GitHub was having issues

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Post by sashank_1509 »

sequin wrote: post #161
sashank_1509 wrote: post #76

I’m at Google, we have a million + file codebase. Every piece of code is snapshotted (no need to commit, automatic snapshot whenever a change is made). Every line of code has its own unique URL (this is for your branch too, not just overall). Background tests running nonstop hourly. Never seen any downtime. The infra at Google is insane

GitHub is a completely different scale. If Google hadn't wasted its opportunities to become the prime source code platform they'd also have issues.

That’s what I disagree with, I think Google codebase scale is massive. It has android + chrome + Google + Waymo + tensorflow etc, this is a lot of code. And also consider that every third party library is put inside Google3 codebase too, there are no truly external dependencies, all the code is there in one repo, with their version one version principle. I think Google is roughly similar scale to GitHub and is managing things far better

Re: GitHub was having issues

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Post by metalliqaz »

keybored wrote: post #194
metalliqaz wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's just a simple reality that most projects don't actually need or want a decentralized development process. In my experience, most projects are looking for a single, high-reliability canonical source that is in control of project leadership. Most projects are only developed by a small group, maybe even only one person.

^ Comment on the Nth 100+ GitHub Down thread (every thread is like that). Maybe everyone here is just using it as an excuse to chatter about forges or GitHub being down too much etc. and it has no impact. But if it does and people are honestly fretting they can mirror their repos. Then no one needs to worry that much (except for their cursed CI setups) the next time it happens. And that’s a benefit of peer-to-peer re…

github is more than just the repo, though. Issue tracking, releases, doc hosting, CI, pull reviews, and so on.

Re: GitHub was having issues

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Post by mrheosuper »

zemo wrote: post #130
petcat wrote: post #70

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> GitHub is _easily_ the most unreliable SaaS product. Some of us are stuck using Atlassian and BitBucket and it is by far worse in every way.

I used GitHub for years in the tech industry, then went into the games industry and used BitBucket and hated it, thought it was such a downgrade. Now I'm back in the tech industry and using GitHub, and I miss BitBucket.

Grass is always greener on the other side.

Re: GitHub was having issues

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Post by notnmeyer »

nerdypepper wrote: post #98
notnmeyer wrote: post #64

anybody have a GH alternative they like? bonus points awarded for not being a straight clone of GH.

https://tangled.sh ? social features via atprotocol, native jujutsu support, stacked PRs, interdiffs, light weight to selfhost, nix-based CI.

amazing

Re: GitHub was having issues

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Post by FredPret »

MoreQARespect wrote: post #210
Analemma_ wrote: post #193

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I wish the world worked this way, but I don't think it does, especially in tech. If you "do one thing well", the cloud hyperscalers will use their billions to copy whatever that is, and add your "one good thing" into their bundled subscriptions or cloud plans. At which point, any rational CTO will go "why should we pay for this, when we're already getting it via AWS/O365/whatever, and with better integration with our…

It works with Keiretsu. Ive long thought that this is how Europe should play catch up and build its own equivalent(s) of AWS, GCP and Azure.

I've seen it mentioned in the context of smaller countries competing with the big guys using industrial policy, and one example mentioned in that article (I don't have a link - it was long ago) they specifically mention Sweden and Volvo.

Re: GitHub was having issues

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Post by pxc »

jeltz wrote: post #97
homebrewer wrote: post #77

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Depends on your needs. Last time I checked, Gitlab wanted money for e.g. assigning multiple PR reviewers, which is available in gitea/forgejo. The real issue with gitea/forgejo compared to Gitlab is their terrible CI, which is (to some approximation) a clone of GitHub Actions, also a dumpster fire for those of us proficient with/preferring the UNIX command line. You'll probably need a separate CI runner, like Woodpec…

Gitlab CI is so much better than Github Actions. With some additional improvements Gitlab CI could become amazing.

It's crazy to me how much this is still true
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