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Terence Tao on the suspension of UCLA grants

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Re: Terence Tao on the suspension of UCLA grants

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I agree. For decades our political and cultural leadership took actions that benefitted themselves and other beneficiaries (e.g., property owners in coastal metro areas, tech and finance workers, etc.), but life has gotten harder for the poor and the middle class. The hollowing out of middle America and the dramatic rise in costs of the three H’s (health care, higher education, and housing) has been painful for many…

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I partly agree that white supremacy, particularly in the form of xenophobia, played a major role in Trump’s catapult to popularity (“Mexico’s not sending their best!” in 2015) and his enduring popularity (“they’re eating the cats!” in 2024). Let’s not also forget the Religious Right, which made a bargain to elect a protégé of Hugh Hefner in exchange for Supreme Court justices who would vote the Religious Right’s way on abortion and LGBT+ issues. When it comes to social issues, Trump has largely fulfilled his promises, and he continues to “stick it” to his “enemies” whenever and however he can.

However, Trump, at least in 2016, also attracted the votes of people who were fed up with the hollowing out of middle America and who resonated with his protectionist economic policies, and he also attracted people who were swayed by his “drain the swamp” rhetoric, which resonated with people who did not want an election featuring Clinton II (Hillary Clinton) vs Bush III (Jeb Bush). It is these people who have been fooled, who have not gotten politics purged of corruption. Much of the old GOP has completely capitulated to Trump, with the rest largely driven out of politics. The “swamp” never got drained; it’s now Chernobyl levels of toxic.

In addition, the two party system has made Republicans voters too loyal to their party. They’re so afraid of the Democratic Party, that their leaders will take away people’s guns, money, and free speech, that they don’t dismiss the warnings of authoritarianism as just plain fearmongering and “Trump derangement syndrome.” Well, the authoritarianism is here today. Right now it’s being directed at “enemies” like immigrants, anti-Trump politicians, scientists, and educators, but eventually the authoritarianism will affect Trump’s base. Unfortunately a lot of innocent people are suffering, and the nearest election is the 2026 midterms, which highlights a major weakness in the American government; we have no recall mechanism, nor do we have mechanisms like parliamentary systems where snap elections can be called.

Re: Terence Tao on the suspension of UCLA grants

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post #13

UCLA has an endowment of 3.8bn$. Whilst I'm sympathetic to their desire to be further government financed for the work they do, I feel like government financing should be made available to those that actually need the money. The attitude that you have access to government funds even if you have the ability to pay yourself needs to change.

Endowments are not piles of money that they just sit on. Universities typically spend 4-5% of their endowment every year. The endowment is invested and managed to try and make that 4-5% a year spending sustainable indefinitely.

If the policy was no government funding if you have an endowment the net result would be that endowments would be spent down, and then not only would they need government funding for the things the government now funds, they would also need government funding for the things that are currently funded from the endowment's earnings.

Also, money in endowments is often legally restricted. Donors put conditions on their donations which limit what they can be used for. For example a donor might donate several million dollars to create and pay the salary of a named professorship in a specific department. That money goes into the endowment, but it and its earnings can only be spent on paying whoever currently holds that professorship.

A typical endowments includes hundreds or thousands of such restricted donations.

Re: Terence Tao on the suspension of UCLA grants

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post #196

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No one is always correct or always unbiased or always honest, and everyone's bias benefits themselves, and every person in the United States lives in a way that has disproportionate costs to other people. None of those reasons explain any of the antipathy. What does?

They think urban intellectuals have a fair bit of power. And the basis for that power is that they are supposedly right about things.

Is it possible to not speak in riddles please?

Re: Terence Tao on the suspension of UCLA grants

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post #140

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The style is very different, for sure. But testimonies of people feeling threatened over their academic career based on political statements on controversial topics isn't a new thing. Don't get me wrong : i'm not defending what's happening here. It's absurd and a very bad sign for US democracy. What i'm saying is that people only wake up when they're the ones in the crosshairs.

If academics want to make political statements on controversial topics, then that's an entirely different situation to academics having grants cancelled (not just not-renewed, but cancelling already allotted money) when they're not making political statements. By the way, do you have an example of the academics feeling threatened by making political statements?

Seemed pretty consensual, but since you're asking, here's a top result i got on my first search on google's.

https://nypost.com/2025/04/23/us-news/psychiatrist-who-criti...

And there are tons of other. Gender theory was a pretty big drive for censorship.

Re: Terence Tao on the suspension of UCLA grants

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3 months ago, we were all wondering why the EU proudly launched their "Choose EU for Science" campaign, despite having much lower funding levels than in the US. If they predicted this, then their actions would make a lot of sense. It is notoriously difficult for scientists to change careers after years in research. For people cut off from US funding like this, a EU-guaranteed middle-class income will appear much more…

It didn't need to be predicted, 3 months ago it was already clear what was happening. The list of banned words in applications, and so on, was already out by then.

I was also surprised to read that. The EU were obviously acting in direct response to the US administration declaring it as their immediate intention to pivot away from science.

Re: Terence Tao on the suspension of UCLA grants

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post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They think urban intellectuals have a fair bit of power. And the basis for that power is that they are supposedly right about things.

Is it possible to not speak in riddles please?

I am confused why you see that as a riddle.

Group X does action A_x due to belief B_x. That B_x isn't logical or whatever doesn't matter. Members of group X generally don't know that group X is wrong, and instead think their own biases are common sense etc.

People are not perfectly rational spheres in a vacuum.

That you can substitute in a lot of different values for X, doesn't change any of this.

Re: Terence Tao on the suspension of UCLA grants

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This is a tragedy. Our pre-eminence as a scientific and industrial powerhouse that really began post WWII is now disintegrating because of the actions of a few. The funding being pulled from Terence Tao and his institute without due process is not the start, it's merely one casualty among many that began at the start of this administration. This is like cutting one's nose to spite one's face.

Punishing urban intellectuals for being urban intellectuals appears to be a common theme in a lot of right wing American messaging and the Republican Party won the popular vote. You can’t put this on a few. It’s the genuine desire of the American voter.

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Re: Terence Tao on the suspension of UCLA grants

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post #24

> UCLA was “failing to promote a research environment free of antisemitism and bias” Is Trump using antisemitism as an excuse to crack down on liberal universities? Because this will make people only more critical of Israel.

Probably yes, since antisemitism doesn't seem to be an impediment to getting jobs in his administration [1].

[1] https://www.npr.org/2025/05/14/nx-s1-5387299/trump-white-hou...

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