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Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by dcow »

ujkhsjkdhf234 wrote: post #186
ffsm8 wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take it you don't use any phones, especially no apple products then, right? After all, apples gigantic sponsorship of the Chinese government is well covered at this point. Clothing is also a no-no, right? After all, there is *literally no way to purchase clothing from any store that hasn't been produced - in part - by effective slave labor and Chinese machinery. Really, consumer boycott of nations is infeasible in…

This is a silly argument. Clothing is not optional; Kagi is. They are deciding to go without an optional good because they don't like what they spend their money on. I applaud them for it and I like Kagi.

No, internet search really isn't optional. Try it for a month. Good luck!

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by VHRanger »

rtrgrd wrote: post #190

I've never used Kagi before and wanted to try: how does Kagi stack up against Brave search?

Kagi results consume brave search among others before returning the result so should be a superset in quality

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by VHRanger »

baggachipz wrote: post #110
ekojs wrote: post #32

Maybe not a popular sentiment here on HN but I cancelled my Kagi subscription (9+ months) just recently. Increasingly, most of my queries/search have been through LLMs and Google search is just fine (and even better for restaurants, places, and the like). I don't think the improved search experience is worth the subscription anymore.

In Kagi, you can just ad a "?" to your query and get an instant answer, a la LLMs.

Or !ai to route it to kagi.com/assistant with your default model/agent to respond with kagi search results

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by VHRanger »

sergiotapia wrote: post #187

Kagi seems like an old tool for a bygone age. A faster horse carriage, instead of a car, you know?

Use kagi.com/assistant then?

The cars still use that faster horse as a core engine before answering.

Having a better engine makes for better answers keeping the model constant

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by ssijak »

jwr wrote: post #12

Unfortunately, Kagi works with Russian companies and pays them money, which in my book is a no-no. I do not want any of my money to contribute to the Russian economy in any way, because I know what is happening to people in Ukraine. (I was a Kagi subscriber, no more, because of this)

I'm sure Google and Bing don't show Russian websites including Yandex in results /s

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by VHRanger »

dcchambers wrote: post #44

Happy Kagi user for many many months now. The only thing I fall back to Google for are local results (specifically local business search - like restaurants). I still have an Android phone, use Gmail, Drive, Docs, Maps, etc - but Kagi has almost entirely replaced my standard Google search results. And it's making me do something crazy. It's so good that I am even suggesting it to non-technical friends and family. 99%…

You can trigger quick answer with a "?"

But also feel free to try adding "!ai" to send the query to the assistant for a deeper dive

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by slow_typist »

jwr wrote: post #12

Unfortunately, Kagi works with Russian companies and pays them money, which in my book is a no-no. I do not want any of my money to contribute to the Russian economy in any way, because I know what is happening to people in Ukraine. (I was a Kagi subscriber, no more, because of this)

These are EU imports from Russia in 2024 in the energy sector alone:

52 bcm gas to 10 EU countries

13 million tonnes oil to 3 EU countries

2800 tonnes enriched uranium/fuel to 7 EU countries

Source: https://energy.ec.europa.eu/strategy/repowereu-roadmap_en

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by dcow »

GoatInGrey wrote: post #125
freediver wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kagi founder here. I notice you bring this up consistently in Kagi discussions. A search engine's job is to deliver the best possible results. We evaluate API sources on search quality, not geopolitics. Yandex represents 2% of our costs but contributes meaningfully to search quality - removing it would harm all users while having minimal economic impact. We've used their API since 2019 and evaluate all sources purely…

I cancelled my kagi subscription upon seeing this response. I donate to Ukraine to defend itself from Russia. I lost a family member to Russian artillery as well while providing medical aid to civilians. I very much do not want my dollars to fund the very thing that my donations are intended to defend against. I'm going to assume you run a similar policy with Chinese search providers. After seeing Chinese warships of…

Conversely, Vlad’s strong sense of engaging in ethical business and utmost respect for and understanding of what it means to remain neutral is precisely why I use Kagi, and why I believe Kagi will beat Google in the long run—why I invested in Kagi.

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by rpdillon »

radlad wrote: post #82
rpdillon wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't find moral stands particularly compelling, because they're an excuse to indulge in single-factor analysis, and make complex decisions using only the most basic criteria. Kagi produces a product you find useful, and they are trying to run an honest business model that doesn't focus on surveillance, charges a subscription, and earns that by working to return the best results. Is it really a net win to boycott t…

> I don't find moral stands particularly compelling, because they're an excuse to indulge in single-factor analysis, and make complex decisions using only the most basic criteria. I don't think this follows. While some people may use morals as an excuse to indulge in single-factor analysis, it's also entirely possible to use a moral stance as just one of many facets of evaluation. > Is it really a net win to boycott…

> it's also entirely possible to use a moral stance as just one of many facets of evaluation.

Agreed. I'd need to see evidence of that, though. People are lazy, and they hide behind moral stances that are completely impractical to avoid having to think through the complex moral realities of the decisions we make. I don't have a lot of patience for this. If it's part of a multi-faceted analysis, then I'd expect to see that reflected in the comments the person makes. That's not true in this case.

> I personally wonder how much less useful Kagi would really be without Yandex? Only Kagi knows, really.

It's not your decision. Your decision is whether or not to pay Kagi for their service. Kagi produces a product that tries to provide the best value, and doesn't surveil you.

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by ujkhsjkdhf234 »

dcow wrote: post #211
ujkhsjkdhf234 wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a silly argument. Clothing is not optional; Kagi is. They are deciding to go without an optional good because they don't like what they spend their money on. I applaud them for it and I like Kagi.

No, internet search really isn't optional. Try it for a month. Good luck!

I didn't say internet search was optional. I said Kagi was optional.
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