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Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Russia is also behind in modern technology by over a decade. I'm pretty sure if the CIA wanted they could destroy a lot of Russian software infrastructure, but it suits them to be in and out of Russian systems collecting information instead.

This seems a bit of a stretch of a claim to make. In what ways would you say that Russia is a decade behind? I visited Russia a few years ago. Commercially, they have all the same technology we have (for me, in the UK). Like us, they outsource most of their manufacturing to China, but internally they produce software equivalent to (or to be honest greater than) what we produce. The difference seems to be that a lot o…

> I was actually quite surprised to see in some areas they are ahead in digitising things (government services, payments). I expected the opposite.

Why were you surprised by this? Russia is a totalitarian dictatorship, it is quite expected that systems of total control will be actively implemented there. And what is better for total control than digitalized things?

> Russia seems to have better primary, secondary and tertiary education in computing,

I've talked to many Russians and this is complete bs. The quality of education is quite low, but due to the competition created by remote work, programmers were easily paid 5x times more than people with comparable qualifications in other fields. So a lot of youth with a good work ethic put a lot of efforts into self-education in this fields even if they have no access to any systemic education in computing at all.

In other words, in Russia, as in other Eastern European countries, you either do programming, or you are screwed. And the advantage of mathematics is that you don't need a teacher for it (for school level), everything is in the book, one thing after another. All you need is work ethic and motivation.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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So then how come hasn't Article 5 been activated yet? Does that mean that said Article 5 is not even worth the piece of paper it has been written on?

Your first comments suggests it isn't happening ("which nato countries") Now, predictably upon being told that it happens you pivot to NATO is useless. Which is it: a set of attacks so obscure no reasonable person would be aware, or a horrendous onslaught where Article 5 should have been invoked and a mass retaliation begun? NATO countries historically didn't invoke Article 5 even for terrorist attacks killing their…

I was trying to follow my respondents' reasoning, as in, if Russia had indeed attacked NATO countries, which they said it had indeed happen, then how come NATO, being a defensive alliance first and foremost, didn't do anything about it?

In other words, and following Eastern-European logic (which, trust me, helps in cases like this one, I'm from Eastern Europe myself), had Russia really attacked any NATO countries you and me both wouldn't be in here having this conversation over the internet.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Thats why Infra as Code is very very important.

Not really, the OP was already using docker, but even with IAC on a small home lab like this you're going to modify one or two small things manually here and there over the years. Sure it can help, but it's just not a one fix solution people thing. If you want a good test of your IAC, just provisioning a brand new environment first time using only your iac.

> you're going to modify one or two small things manually here and there over the years.

Huh? This is a strange assumption to make. Is your premise that IAC can't ever be truly reproducible?

If you are modifying things manually then you're not doing IAC.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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At this stage in the war keeping your social spaces free of malicious users seems like a much higher priority than providing the other side's civilians with accurate information. Russians can access all the info in the world with a simple VPN setup, that clearly doesn't change the situation in Russia.

This likely keeps normal people from seeing this way better than it keeps away any hackers or bots, as Russian citizens are mostly using DPI circumvention tools. And this was a thing since the first days of the war, it's not something new. >that clearly doesn't change the situation in Russia Giving up is the easiest thing to do. Last time some people did, it was blamed on stereotypes like their "learned helplessness"…

The reality is, civilians cannot change a country's domestic foreign policy - especially in a country like Russia.

Revolutions don't work without alignment from power centers like the police, military, judiciary, and a subset of legislators.

Hosni Mubarak wasn't overthrown because of protesters in Tahrir Square - he was overthrown because General Sisi decided to ignore shoot-on-sight orders.

There's no reason for Ukraine media to create a literal attack surface when most Russians already have a decent idea of what is happening in Ukraine (and vice versa) - most Russians and Ukrainians have blood relatives on both sides of the border.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Your first comments suggests it isn't happening ("which nato countries") Now, predictably upon being told that it happens you pivot to NATO is useless. Which is it: a set of attacks so obscure no reasonable person would be aware, or a horrendous onslaught where Article 5 should have been invoked and a mass retaliation begun? NATO countries historically didn't invoke Article 5 even for terrorist attacks killing their…

I was trying to follow my respondents' reasoning, as in, if Russia had indeed attacked NATO countries, which they said it had indeed happen, then how come NATO, being a defensive alliance first and foremost, didn't do anything about it? In other words, and following Eastern-European logic (which, trust me, helps in cases like this one, I'm from Eastern Europe myself), had Russia really attacked any NATO countries you…

Thankfully they don’t think it’s worth invoking article 5 over that. It’s not an automatism obviously, we’re talking about WW3 here. Would you rather be “technically” right here?

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Russia has shown to be plenty resilient across the board. I find it hard to assume anything different here.

It's not called Resilience if you pick on someone weaker. Western support to Ukraine has been a real joke - https://carnegieendowment.org/europe/strategic-europe/2025/0...

To be fair, it is quite difficult to support a regime where random people are grabbed off the streets and sent to their deaths. Where for expressing oppositional opinions your male relatives will have their door kicked down and will be sent to an assault on enemy position with a 90% mortality rate. And if they survive that - to another one just like it. To support a regime that has no long-term plan and goals for waging a senseless war and which openly promises to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing in the reclaimed territories.

So the support from Western countries is enormous, considering all these aspects.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Almost everything will have cycles in IT. People want and security requires some kind of SSO. Now SSO is a dependency for almost everything, including the administration of underlying systems that run SSO. Same for the network. Same for a lot of things. Bootstrapping from zero will never be easy and will always take some time. I don't think you can prepare your way out of this, short of preparing a fully redundant, f…

I agree that fully redundant & separate infrastructure is unrealistic. I'm also not saying you can be 100% prepared. My point is that you can improve your posture. What you can do is to have a sandbox environment where you periodically do a full setup exercise from a prepper disk. Conceptually it's not that different from testing backup recovery (ok, most companies neglect this too, so maybe you have a point :) ).

Problem is, the value of proper recovery procedures and testing those in all aspects only becomes apparent to the bean-counters when things really break. But until they have been in that situation where nothing works for a month, it will always be too expensive, too cumbersome and too resource-hungry to do those preparations.

Which gives me an idea for an "Ask HN"... Edit: submitted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44582994

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Why did they raid you?

Short version: Possibly the worst thing to be raided for: distribution of CSAM. Apparently based purely on the 'evidence' of my IP address being on some list - that's the only explanation I ever got. Funny thing is, they did so little background research they didn't even know to expect kids in the house when they raided at 6:30am. It still triggers me. This was in August 2022. I wrote pages and pages of my memories a…

Where you actually charged and prosecuted for anything or did they just steal your gear without due process?
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