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Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by m463 »

parpfish wrote: post #63

Decades ago in my first abnormal psych course, the prof warned us that there was an almost iron-clad law that students will immediately start self diagnosing themselves with “weak” versions of every disorder we learn about. In my years since then, it has absolutely held true and now is supercharged by a whole industry of TikTok self-diagnoses. But there are a few things we can learn from this: - if you give people th…

I remember someone telling me a story of a horoscope type thing that was handed out to people in class after ascertaining their birthdate. People were asked to comment and thought things were accurate... until the professor had everyone compare their horoscopes. Theire identical horoscopes.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by Paracompact »

brookst wrote: post #39
stanislavb wrote: post #17

I'd say - everybody has a personality which is not who they really are. The personality is "simply" the response and defence mehanism of the ego of trauma inflicted during the early formatory years during childhood. It's really interesting what an automatic-machine a person is. Unaware that he is acting machanically in most cases. Source - the Enneagram and Gurdjieff.

We are what we pretend to be — Kurt Vonnegut

So we must be careful about what we pretend to be.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by Walf »

Aurornis wrote: post #193
Walf wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because that's a colloquial name given to a range of specific symptoms people experience, and it is in the DSM, covered by 1.e.: > Often has difficulty organizing tasks and activities (e.g., difficulty managing sequential tasks; difficulty keeping materials and belongings in order; messy, disorganized work; has poor time management; fails to meet deadlines). The DSM doesn't list all minutiae of every general problem.

You’re conflating symptoms with conditions . Having a single symptom does not mean someone has the condition. The diagnostic criteria for the condition for which you took that quote (out of context) is more comprehensive. It’s not a simple matter of doing Ctrl+F on the DSM and seeing that something can be a symptom or something else. This is more obvious when you start thinking of other conditions: Feelings of sadnes…

I'm really not, you've made an argument based on a semantic misunderstanding of my first response. I did not say "time blindness" was a condition, I said that people generally self-diagnose conditions, not just for those symptoms. I also described it as a set of symptoms in later comments.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by ludicity »

klabb3 wrote: post #55
ludicity wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's good advice. I have met people who talk like the post mentions, but the reality is that they just spend way too much time on Instagram and TikTok. Not like me, I'm on Hackernews , and would never integrate stupid stuff into an important representation of my personality. Anyway, wanna see my NixOS configuration? I just figured out how to get animated wallpapers working on Hyprland and LOTR-themed everything!

> Anyway, wanna see my NixOS configuration? I just figured out how to get animated wallpapers working on Hyprland and LOTR-themed everything! Only if you have a personal blog in Times New Roman, with an RSS feed, all diagrams in ascii art, no JS, and especially no scroll-jacking, high contrast font (ideally black on white), and keep in mind that we will find out if you’re not self-hosting your email, in which case yo…

I actually have most of this. The blog defaults to the user's system font, I think, and it has an RSS feed + very little JS (maybe none, depends on how hosted Mataroa works), etc.

Unfortunately I don't self-host my email, so I must apologize profusely.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by ludicity »

brogdan wrote: post #18
ludicity wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's good advice. I have met people who talk like the post mentions, but the reality is that they just spend way too much time on Instagram and TikTok. Not like me, I'm on Hackernews , and would never integrate stupid stuff into an important representation of my personality. Anyway, wanna see my NixOS configuration? I just figured out how to get animated wallpapers working on Hyprland and LOTR-themed everything!

I’d fucking love a post about NixOS config over this shit any day of the week. Lay it on us fella.

I was joking but maybe I really should do this. I'm lacking a lot of Linux fundamentals, let alone NixOS fundamentals, but I also love my setup so much. Here's the commit that made my wallpaper an animated hobbit house!

https://github.com/Nikhil-Suresh/nixos-configuration/commit/...

I didn't use Nixvim or any of that cool stuff though. I stole a little Bash project called Tilde from my friend Victor Engmark to keep all my dotfiles in a repository and then symlink them to .config/ on all the machines I use.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by dqv »

Aurornis wrote: post #193
Walf wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because that's a colloquial name given to a range of specific symptoms people experience, and it is in the DSM, covered by 1.e.: > Often has difficulty organizing tasks and activities (e.g., difficulty managing sequential tasks; difficulty keeping materials and belongings in order; messy, disorganized work; has poor time management; fails to meet deadlines). The DSM doesn't list all minutiae of every general problem.

You’re conflating symptoms with conditions . Having a single symptom does not mean someone has the condition. The diagnostic criteria for the condition for which you took that quote (out of context) is more comprehensive. It’s not a simple matter of doing Ctrl+F on the DSM and seeing that something can be a symptom or something else. This is more obvious when you start thinking of other conditions: Feelings of sadnes…

They did not bring the DSM into the conversation, someone else did. And the person you are responding to made no such conflation! They also made no such claim that "[having] a single symptom [means] someone has the condition." That might be how you decided to interpret what they said, but it is quite literally not what they said!

They simply stated that time blindness is a real issue and linked to an article which acknowledges exactly what you are describing: "Many people with ADHD struggle with a lesser-known but deeply frustrating sign called time blindness." (emphasis mine)

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by [deleted] »

parpfish wrote: post #63

Decades ago in my first abnormal psych course, the prof warned us that there was an almost iron-clad law that students will immediately start self diagnosing themselves with “weak” versions of every disorder we learn about. In my years since then, it has absolutely held true and now is supercharged by a whole industry of TikTok self-diagnoses. But there are a few things we can learn from this: - if you give people th…

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Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by gsf_emergency_2 »

ycombinete wrote: post #195
gsf_emergency_2 wrote: post #174

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Reposted to address: labels on clusters of belief such as "free will" and "determinism" tlb or pg has a pithy saying that I can't find now goes smth like " we should avoid labels [on people] not because they are useless (they aren't) but they are hard to get right. Adding the cost of being wrong to that makes them not worth it " There's some connection to the "build skill or taste?" dilemma threaded earlier https://n…

Why have you typed out the full word for everything in your cmmnt except for “something” and people’s names? I guess pg is Paul Graham. Who is tlb?

A tik

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=tru...

'Trevor L. Blackwell', co-founder of YC

Pls help

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by Walf »

dqv wrote: post #216
Aurornis wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re conflating symptoms with conditions . Having a single symptom does not mean someone has the condition. The diagnostic criteria for the condition for which you took that quote (out of context) is more comprehensive. It’s not a simple matter of doing Ctrl+F on the DSM and seeing that something can be a symptom or something else. This is more obvious when you start thinking of other conditions: Feelings of sadnes…

They did not bring the DSM into the conversation, someone else did. And the person you are responding to made no such conflation! They also made no such claim that "[having] a single symptom [means] someone has the condition." That might be how you decided to interpret what they said, but it is quite literally not what they said! They simply stated that time blindness is a real issue and linked to an article which ac…

Thank you for joining in with some sense.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by muzani »

parpfish wrote: post #63

Decades ago in my first abnormal psych course, the prof warned us that there was an almost iron-clad law that students will immediately start self diagnosing themselves with “weak” versions of every disorder we learn about. In my years since then, it has absolutely held true and now is supercharged by a whole industry of TikTok self-diagnoses. But there are a few things we can learn from this: - if you give people th…

My parents did psychology and they always warned us about this.

Bayesianism helps but isn't taught well enough in school. Basically, we fail to handle the false positive and false negatives into the calculation, and this happens a lot with psychologists as well. This is really the point where people say untrained 'professionals' are dangerous - they can't evaluate that inaccuracy of the diagnosis itself.

This is the best explanation I've seen so far: https://betterexplained.com/articles/an-intuitive-and-short-...

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