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Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Post by vbezhenar »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #179
layoric wrote: post #161

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No ECC is the biggest trade off for me, but the C236 express chipset has very little choice for CPUs, they are all 4 core 8 thread. Ive got multiple x99 platform systems and for a long time they were the king of cost efficiency, but lately the ryzen laptop chips are becoming too good to pass up, even without ECC. Eg Ryzen 5825u minis

For a home NAS, ECC is as needed as it is on your laptop.

ECC is essential indeed for any computer. But the laptop situation is truly dire, while it's possible to find some NAS with ECC support.

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Post by dsr_ »

sandreas wrote: post #202
sixothree wrote: post #197

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I've put all of my surveillance cameras on one volume in _hopes_ that I can let my other volumes spin down. But nope. They spend the vast majority of their day spinning.

Did you consider ZFS with L2ARC? The extra caching device might make this possible...

That's not how L2ARC works. It's not how the ZIL SLOG works, either.

If a read request can be filled by the OS cache, it will be. Then it will be filled by the ARC, if possible. Then it will be filled by the L2ARC, if it exists. Then it will be filled by the on-disk cache, if possible; finally, it will be filled by a read.

An async write will eventually be flushed to a disk write, possibly after seconds of realtime. The ack is sent after the write is complete... which may be while the drive has it in a cache but hasn't actually written it yet.

A sync write will be written to the ZIL SLOG, if it exists, while it is being written to the disk. It will be acknowledged as soon as the ZIL finishes the write. If the SLOG does not exist, the ack comes when the disk reports the write complete.

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Post by mytailorisrich »

vbezhenar wrote: post #211
mytailorisrich wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a home NAS, ECC is as needed as it is on your laptop.

ECC is essential indeed for any computer. But the laptop situation is truly dire, while it's possible to find some NAS with ECC support.

Most computers don't have ECC. So it might be essential in theory but in practice things work fine without (for standard personal, even work, use cases).

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Post by atonse »

guerby wrote: post #81

Related question: does anyone know of an usb-c powerbank that can be effectively used as UPS? That is to say is able to be charged while maintaining power to load (obviously with rate of charge greater by a few watts than load). Most models I find reuse the most powerful usb-c port as ... recharging port so unusable as DC UPS. Context: my home server is my old https://frame.work motherboard running proxmox VE with 64…

This isn't a power bank, but the EcoFlow River makes for a great mobile battery pack for many uses (like camping, road trips, etc) but also qualifies for a UPS (which means it has to be able to switch over to battery power with certain milliseconds.. that part i'm not sure, but the professional UPSs switch over in I've had the River Pro for a few months and it's worked perfectly for that use case. And UnRaid supports it as of a couple months ago.

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Post by asteroidburger »

noisy_boy wrote: post #205

My main challenge is that we don't have wired ethernet access in our rooms so even if I bought a mini-NAS and attached it to the router over ethernet, all "clients" will be accessing it over wifi. Not sure if anyone else has dealt with this and/or how this setup works over wifi.

Do you have a coax drop in the room? MoCA adapters are a decent compromise - not as good as an ethernet connection, but better than wireless.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

dwedge wrote: post #192
Dylan16807 wrote: post #187

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> and large parts of the drive haven't been read from for a long time Hence the first sentence of my three sentence post.

If I wanted to deal with snark I'd reply to people on Reddit.

My goal isn't to be rude, but when you skip over a critical part of what I'm saying it causes a communication issue. Are you correcting my numbers, or intentionally giving numbers for a completely different scenario, or something in between? Is it none of those and you weren't taking my comment seriously enough to read 50 words? The way you replied made it hard to tell.

So I made a simple comment to point out the conflict, a little bit rude but not intended to escalate the level of rudeness, and easier for both of us than writing out a whole big thing.

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Post by gosub100 »

sandreas wrote: post #170
1over137 wrote: post #129

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Letting hdds spin down is generally not advisable in a NAS, unless you access it really rarely perhaps.

Is there any (semi-)scientific proof to that (serious question)? I did search a lot to this topic but found nothing... (see above, same question)

It's probably decades old anecdata from people who re commissioned old drives that were on the shelf for many years. The theory is that the grease on the spindle dries up and seizes up the platters.

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Post by gknoy »

kllrnohj wrote: post #201
ndiddy wrote: post #109

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Another thing is that unless you have a very specific need for SSDs (such as heavily random access focused workloads, very tight space constraints, or working in a bumpy environment), mechanical hard drives are still way more cost effective for storing lots of data than NVMe. You can get a manufacturer refurbished 12TB hard drive with a multi-year warranty for ~$120, while even an 8TB NVMe drive goes for at least $50…

It depends on what you consider "lots" of data. For >20tb yes absolutely obviously by a landslide. But if you just want self-hosted Google Drive or Dropbox you're in the 1-4TB range where mechanical drives are a very bad value as they have a pretty significant price floor. WD Blue 1tb hdd is $40 while WD Blue 1tb nvme is $60. The HDD still has a strict price advantage, but the nvme drive uses way less power, is more…

I appreciate you laying it out like that. I've seen these NVME NAS things mentioned and had been thinking that the reliability of SSDs was so much worse than HDDs.

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Post by asciimov »

sandreas wrote: post #49

While it may be tempting to go "mini" and NVMe, for a normal use case I think this is hardly cost effective. You give up so much by using an all in mini device... No Upgrades, no ECC, harder cooling, less I/O. I have had a Proxmox Server with a used Fujitsu D3417 and 64gb ecc for roughly 5 years now, paid 350 bucks for the whole thing and upgraded the storage once from 1tb to 2tb. It draws 12-14W in normal day use an…

The selling point for the people in the Plex community is the N100/N150 include Intel’s Quicksync which gives you video hardware transcoding without a dedicated video card. It’ll handle 3 to 4 4K transcoded streams.

There are several sub $150 units that allow you to upgrade the ram, limited to one 32gb stick max. You can use an nvme to sata adapter to add plenty of spinning rust or connect it to a das.

While I wouldn’t throw any vms on these, you have enough headroom for non-ai home sever apps.

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Post by gosub100 »

noisy_boy wrote: post #205

My main challenge is that we don't have wired ethernet access in our rooms so even if I bought a mini-NAS and attached it to the router over ethernet, all "clients" will be accessing it over wifi. Not sure if anyone else has dealt with this and/or how this setup works over wifi.

There is also power line Ethernet adapters that are well above 300mbps. Even if that's the nameplate speed on your wifi router, you won't have as much fluctuation on the power line. But both adapters need to be on the same breaker
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