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Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by 1shooner »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #194
zombiwoof wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> because Israel bought Trump This is a self-defeating and untrue meme. Most Americans don’t say Israel is very important to them, favourably or not [1]. Historically, Israel was popular in both parties; that has now changed. As a result, being anti-Israel was dumb not because of some APAC [EDIT: AIPAC] conspiracy but because voters generally don’t respond to foreign policy issues (versus kitchen-sink ones) and the v…

>some APAC conspiracy

This is not a binary of either NWO conspiracy or paranoid antisemitism . AIPAC is a lobby, just like many other lobbies. They boast on their website[1] that they've paid $53M to politicians. Just like any other lobby, the electorate has a right and responsibility to judge whether the influence it has bought is in their best interests.

1. https://www.aipacpac.org/home

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by SllX »

kragen wrote: post #209
JimBlackwood wrote: post #163

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That is definitely true. I can imagine the ICC would fall shortly after (since I think enough member states will not execute the arrest order and so it’s existence does not do much)

You're imagining this happening in a world where the US has the political status it had ten years ago, not the political status it will have ten years in the future.

We’re only talking about today, bruh. There’s no sense worrying about a tomorrow that may never come, but I’m willing to bet that 10 years from now we still have the strongest military in and around The Hague and even beyond, very very few would ever be willing to threaten war with us to back up the ICC.

Now, 20 years from now? 30 years from now? 50? Who knows.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by kragen »

pavlov wrote: post #61
a_bonobo wrote: post #17

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The NSDAP-style alignments went both ways: if the industry bigwig joined the party, he got access to lucrative contracts and insider information. The NSDAP also helped strike down strikes for the bigwigs, and later, supplied slaves from concentration camps for cheap. In turn, the party got to deeply control the bigwig: don't toe the party line and you're either out, or you're in danger. Join the party and publicly de…

Nazis were very good at making both industrialists and military feel rich. The German stock market went up like a rocket between 1933 and 1941. And the military higher-ups were bribed with constant personalized handouts. Hitler even paid a wealthy general’s entire divorce settlement from taxpayer funds, as mentioned here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bribery_of_senior_Wehrmacht_of... ” Such was the success of Hitler…

Do you have any idea how the investors in the German stock market in that period made out after the war? I'm guessing that they probably lost a lot, especially in East Germany, but I'm interested in reading more detailed accounts or investigations of the situation.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by yoavm »

zombiwoof wrote: post #113
Aliabid94 wrote: post #84

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The US continues to burn its soft power capital to defend Israel - this guy was only targeted because of his investigations on Israeli war crimes.

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> because Israel bought Trump

I don't think the US ever had a president who cared less about Israel than Trump. The few times Trump has been on the Israel side seem to be only because Israel was "winning" some conflict, and Trump just prefers being on the winning side. He doesn't seem to care (or understand) the slightest whether Jews have a state, whether they can defend themselves, etc.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by pineaux »

vidarh wrote: post #174
ptero wrote: post #151

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Unfortunately, there are enough courts that are very willing to slap any label on any suitably vilified candidate. Pick any president of India; you can probably find a Pakistani court would be willing to convict for "crimes against humanity". And vice versa. Or pick some Iraq-Iran pairings. Or Armenian- Azerbaijani, etc. Allowing external courts to judge presidents is a bad idea. It is a slippery slope even for cases…

We're talking about any random court, however, but the ICC. It does not have a history of "slapping any label on any suitably vilified candidate". Put another way: The US has a history of deciding it is allowed to start actual wars to overthrow the kind of people committing the kind of crimes that gets you targeted by the ICJ. The US just wants its own people to not be subjected to what it has a long history of impos…

This is exactly right. "Might makes right" is very true on the international stage. The ICC tried to fix that, but they have been muzzled when it comes to real might.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by whimsicalism »

NewJazz wrote: post #6

They didn't even resist/appeal the order? It is an EO, not a law. Goes to show just how subservient and feckless Microsoft is. Nominative determinism much?

the last three administrations (Trump I, Biden, Trump II) have shown a willingness to use the law to punish the companies of political opponents. in this light, many companies are going to be reluctant to challenge the feds here

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Post by barbazoo »

yoavm wrote: post #214
zombiwoof wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> because Israel bought Trump I don't think the US ever had a president who cared less about Israel than Trump. The few times Trump has been on the Israel side seem to be only because Israel was "winning" some conflict, and Trump just prefers being on the winning side. He doesn't seem to care (or understand) the slightest whether Jews have a state, whether they can defend themselves, etc.

Imagine having access to all these experts but no interest in the subject matter. smh

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by whimsicalism »

sschueller wrote: post #134
benced wrote: post #120

Perhaps Europe should try building their own tech industry so they have fewer problems like this.

Europe needs to stop selling its tech industry to non-European companies.

yeah, the problem Europe faces is insufficient barriers to foreign capital.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by tanaros »

jeroenhd wrote: post #72
malcolmgreaves wrote: post #53

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50% of people do not support this. That’s a made up number. Trump has barely over 40%. He is an unpopular criminal who has shown time and again he will break the law. What even makes you think a criminal like this would win an election fairly?

Trump won the majority vote in an election that brought out a huge amount of voters compared to previous elections, and Republicans won every other government body. He's not unpopular and many people do support him, unfortunately. Best case scenario, the silent majority didn't bother to prevent Trump and his lackeys from taking over the American government. I don't think denying Trump's popularity is going to solve a…

> Trump won the majority vote in an election that brought out a huge amount of voters compared to previous elections, and Republicans won every other government body.

For the curious, based on [1], turnout in 2024 was 63.1% of the voting eligible population, compared to 65.3% in 2020, 59.2% in 2016, and 58.0% in 2012.

[1] https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/voter-turnou...

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

1shooner wrote: post #211
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because Israel bought Trump This is a self-defeating and untrue meme. Most Americans don’t say Israel is very important to them, favourably or not [1]. Historically, Israel was popular in both parties; that has now changed. As a result, being anti-Israel was dumb not because of some APAC [EDIT: AIPAC] conspiracy but because voters generally don’t respond to foreign policy issues (versus kitchen-sink ones) and the v…

>some APAC conspiracy This is not a binary of either NWO conspiracy or paranoid antisemitism . AIPAC is a lobby, just like many other lobbies. They boast on their website[1] that they've paid $53M to politicians. Just like any other lobby, the electorate has a right and responsibility to judge whether the influence it has bought is in their best interests. 1. https://www.aipacpac.org/home

> AIPAC is a lobby, just like many other lobbies

Sure. One among many. They’re influential, but not deterministic.

> that they've paid $53M to politicians

No, they don’t. They’re reporting campaign donations.

There is a tendency, when we disagree with an election, to tally up the donations made to the other side while ignoring all the times the best-funded candidate got trounced. (Jeb!) The influence of money in politics is one of sharply-diminishing returns. It is invaluable for name recognition. It doesn’t swing people on fundamental issues.

Israel has had unique sway in America because for most of its history it has been uniquely popular. Partly because of our Jewish diaspora. Partly because they were a reliable ally. And partly because they give us a lot of money. But two out of three of those factors also apply to the Gulf states, and we tend to be a bit less deferential to them because they’re just not as popular.

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