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Washington Post's Privacy Tip: Stop Using Chrome, Delete Meta Apps (and Yandex)

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post #183

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Money, it's just business. I think every big corp is morally bankrupt (otherwise they wouldn't be big). There are some exceptions, of course, if a company found a sustainable way to monetize their output. But the baseline is really bad.

Its way less bad than some investors ie on Wall street or arms/military business, by huge margin. Folks scamming old people out of money or encrypting their HDDs for ransom should be shot in sight. But - this topic affects billions very directly, and its not about the effect now , but helping general direction which is outright evil by any moral standards. I can pull out usual godwin's law plug but I guess we all kno…

The arms business seems more honest really, and arguably hurts society less, especially in peace time.

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post #204

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This is basically it. There are a dozen ways to become huge, and they all are essnetially anti-humanity. There's an expression: normalization of deviance. This is where we are now. People idolize others because of their wealth, and that wealth is always gained by means which are ultimately harmful to the greater population. Even the wealthy philanthropistMS which will remain unnamed acquired their greatness by cheati…

As a 90s teen growing up with Grunge and in a DYI punk scene, I remember my youth being a lot about authenticity, and it felt weird reading about how the 80s were all about money and fame and how selling out was ok. To me that sounded absolutely absurd and a freaking caricature, something out of "American Psycho". Today I was just discussing with a friend how we're perhaps even more materialistic and cut-throat...

A fear of mine is that we are speedrunning Cyberpunk 2077. And that’s not something to expire to. It’s a bleak no-hope hell.

Hope is about finding and using that moral compass. To change worse outcomes to better outcomes for everyone. The “I’ll take mine” or “My group needs to win” attitude is poison to yourself and to the world, and if you don’t see that your conscience is blind or broken.

This is nothing new, in numerous books on moral philosophy and people who have been in these situations have spoken out on it.

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Getting privacy advice from an adtech funded outlet sounds like reading democracy advice from the Chinese ruling party or vegetarianism advice from lions to be honest. It might be correct-and-incomplete but they just have no credibility on the topic.

Many HN commenters work for "adtech funded outlets". Do they have any credibility on the issue of privacy.

Depends on their stance on the issue but individuals don’t necessarily share the views of their employers.

WaPo is by no means worst here. But their omission of Adblock in this article means they can’t be credible.

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post #204

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This is basically it. There are a dozen ways to become huge, and they all are essnetially anti-humanity. There's an expression: normalization of deviance. This is where we are now. People idolize others because of their wealth, and that wealth is always gained by means which are ultimately harmful to the greater population. Even the wealthy philanthropistMS which will remain unnamed acquired their greatness by cheati…

As a 90s teen growing up with Grunge and in a DYI punk scene, I remember my youth being a lot about authenticity, and it felt weird reading about how the 80s were all about money and fame and how selling out was ok. To me that sounded absolutely absurd and a freaking caricature, something out of "American Psycho". Today I was just discussing with a friend how we're perhaps even more materialistic and cut-throat...

Musicians used to not let their songs be used in commercials.

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I wouldn't be using Safari if I were concerned about privacy. Privacy is more than just blocking trackers.

How is Safari anything but strong on privacy?

It's closed-source.

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Was it Firefox? I remember Firefox existing at the time but I don't think it's ever really had dominant market share, perhaps when it was Netscape? I do remember the IE campaign went on quite a long time to where eventually Chrome showed up to the party and people shifted over as well as shifted their family and friends over. You don't see that kind of active effort for Firefox ever.

According to Wikipedia, Firefox share peaked around 31%. It was very much taking over and gaining share from IE before chrome appeared. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Ol...

Yes, FF was revelatory (features and performance) and, relatively, very popular for a time. 31% was a massive share considering it was up against a browser that was the default for the vast majority of people using computers.

Mozilla have had so many chances to position themselves as the privacy-preserving alternative in current years but just can't get out of its own way in any sense (e.g. corporate greed or being hostile towards users). There's still dim hope for FF and some of its forks, like Librewolf, but hopefully forward thinking projects like Servo and Ladybird can fill the void.

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post #184

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> um, what? This is obnoxious.

It's conversational, emotive, and expressive. I'm sure you hear it all the time out in the real world.

The passive-aggressive equivalent of "your opinion is dumb".

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post #162

I don’t know anyone that works at Meta, so I’m hoping that someone here could answer this for me- What makes employees there feel good (or at least okay) about doing stuff like this? You're spying on people, no? Surveilling ordinary people, not enemy combatants or foreign militaries? Perhaps a friend of a friend or even a family member? This kind of thing is so creepy and disturbing to me, not that it’s anything new…

Optimization with the objectives we have today, and more generally financialism are all about splitting up end-to-end tasks into pieces and removing redundant common work. This is obviously good...upto a point. It gets bad because morals and a bunch of other stuff also gets split up.

Like someone mentioned below, it's unrealistic to expect people to think about second or third or nth order effects of their job. Heck, those effects are not even visible in 90% of cases.

To answer your question, the engineer at meta is just building a graph database. It takes a `void* node_data` as argument. Another is just building a kafka-clickhouse data pipeline that can transfer so many millions of `void* message`s a minute. The android engineer is just improving the percentage of requests without location data by using wifi ssids as fallback. The CEO just sees "advertising revenue WoW" in his dashboard. And so on. That it is actually being used for spying is many steps away from each of them -- OK, in the case of meta I'm sure the employees know to an extent. But it's still very different from the feeling they would get if they were doing the end-to-end task themselves.

It's the same thing with other questionable products. It's split up sufficiently across the supply chain that no one is actually aware enough of the task end-to-end.

In some cases, the same participant in the supply chain will be a supplier for something really good and necessary..but they will also be a supplier for something despicable. In this case, it is easy for everyone involved to sweep the latter under the rug.

As far as I have thought about it, there is no way to get rid of this larger problem without also losing the (unfathomably massive) benefits.

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It's CREEPY to imagine the Internet is under a mandate to protect your privacy. Don't be CREEPY. The EU cookie fiasco is just that. All of a sudden, your every day experience was derailed extremely in a way that 'broke' HTML standards and sites at first in hundreds of ways. All of a sudden sites that never did track users were forced to start tracking them -- in order to set the flag to suppress the harassing cookie…

> All of a sudden sites that never did track users were forced to start tracking them -- in order to set the flag to suppress the harassing cookie warning.

If the site never tracked the user, they wouldn't need to show the cookie banner in the first place.

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