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Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by Ancapistani »

mdp2021 wrote: post #179
Ancapistani wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I absolutely do this, but there are times when "because I said so" is the actual answer. As an adult, there are plenty of situations where you are subject to the authority of others. Learning to deal with disagreement with that is also part of being an adult.

Interesting, but your lapsus may be worth noting: if you show your good reasons then they will find themselves under «the authority of others», whereas if you don't they will find themselves «subject to» the power of others. Opportunity and effects may vary.

That’s a good point.

That said, this is exactly the conversations my wife and I have with our kids. In life, there are times when you voluntarily place yourself under someone’s authority. There are other times when you’re subject to their power, the source of which is irrelevant is it is outside your control.

We’re unschooling anarchists, so our conversations are a bit wild at times :).

OTOH, my 16- and 11-year-olds just learned the word “lapsus” :P

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by Ancapistani »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #187
Ancapistani wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because if internet/tech is the gun then the clear solution is “not giving your children guns”. Funnily enough, no. The clear solution is to ensure that you talk to your children about [gun|online] safety. Show them how to use the [gun|internet] safely. Make sure they know that they can ask to use your [gun|device] any time they'd like -- but only under your supervision. Take the mystery away through education and…

> Make sure they know that they can ask to use your [gun|device] any time they'd like -- but only under your supervision. You could do that, but there's no particular need for it. "No guns until you're 16" works fine. You don't need to "take the mystery away". You need to use the internet a lot before you become an adult, you need to use a gun never before you become an adult. You need a lot of practice to build up i…

> "No guns until you're 16" works fine. You don't need to "take the mystery away".

This is what leads to stories about kids who make their way into their parents’ locked storage and hurt themselves or others.

“The mystery” is what leads kids to investigate things on their own. Let them know they can just ask. If they do ask, explain what you’re doing as you clear it. Strictly enforce the four rules. Let them disassemble it, or do it for them if necessary.

It’s just a tool. No less useful than a drill or saw, and no more or less dangerous than the car or can of gasoline in the garage.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by landl0rd »

sltkr wrote: post #130
landl0rd wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the only thing that verifier does is verification for accessing digital pornography, it remains blackmail-able. Not in the sense of identifying the specific content accessed but in the sense of "this user has gone through the steps to gain access" which is, frankly, good enough. After verifying the ID, there is no reason the verifier needs to know to whom a token belongs, which would help this. It doesn't need to…

The solution to that is to make sure the age verification is used for a variety of different purposes. For example, why not use the same age verification system to block access to sites that advertise or sell alcohol or tobacco products? Or sex toys. Or dating apps. Or loans applications. Or for any number of adult-only apps that aren't necessarily blackmailable? Normalize age verification for adult-only services. Th…

I'm against this because 1. of chilling effects and 2. it risks solving the sybil problem, making it easy to e.g. restrict people to one account.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by mierz00 »

hk1337 wrote: post #114

Maybe it just seems like a lot but it’s interesting how much shit Texas got for its age verification law when other western countries either were doing similar or pushing for similar laws. UK, Canada, France, Australia, I think I saw someone in the comments say Germany has something similar. Pornography isn’t all that healthy but so is parents not stepping up and educating their kids on sex, even if it is awkward to…

Pornography and sex education are two different things and I’d argue that pornography hurts education.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

Ancapistani wrote: post #211
mdp2021 wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting, but your lapsus may be worth noting: if you show your good reasons then they will find themselves under «the authority of others», whereas if you don't they will find themselves «subject to» the power of others. Opportunity and effects may vary.

That’s a good point. That said, this is exactly the conversations my wife and I have with our kids. In life, there are times when you voluntarily place yourself under someone’s authority. There are other times when you’re subject to their power, the source of which is irrelevant is it is outside your control. We’re unschooling anarchists, so our conversations are a bit wild at times :). OTOH, my 16- and 11-year-olds…

> We’re unschooling anarchists

I thought you're supposed to grow out of this phase before you have kids.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Ancapistani wrote: post #212
Dylan16807 wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Make sure they know that they can ask to use your [gun|device] any time they'd like -- but only under your supervision. You could do that, but there's no particular need for it. "No guns until you're 16" works fine. You don't need to "take the mystery away". You need to use the internet a lot before you become an adult, you need to use a gun never before you become an adult. You need a lot of practice to build up i…

> "No guns until you're 16" works fine. You don't need to "take the mystery away". This is what leads to stories about kids who make their way into their parents’ locked storage and hurt themselves or others. “The mystery” is what leads kids to investigate things on their own. Let them know they can just ask. If they do ask, explain what you’re doing as you clear it. Strictly enforce the four rules. Let them disassem…

> This is what leads to stories about kids who make their way into their parents’ locked storage and hurt themselves or others.

> “The mystery” is what leads kids to investigate things on their own.

Do you have evidence that learning gun safety without use doesn't do enough here?

I'm not convinced there's all that much mystery. Even if talk doesn't do enough, I bet letting your kids use guns once would do more than enough to clear up mystery. If you let your kids use a gun every week (or whatever "any time" means) it's because you're a family that likes guns, not for safety reasons.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by hoppp »

callamdelaney wrote: post #66
ghusto wrote: post #17

> A more technically sound approach would be content controls directly implemented on the devices parents chose to give their children Passive aggression level 10, and I approve.

This is the only true solution. Parents need to take responsibility for what their kids are doing online, what they’re viewing and who they’re talking to. This generation of parents should be prepared for that but apparently not.

How? Keyloggers and spying?

What if the parents hate gays but their kid is in the closet seeking help?

Having uncontrolled access to information about sex and sexuality is a blessing not a curse. It saves lives.

And I bet its much better having kids at home jacking off to porn than them having sex with girls early. Urges are normal, porn is good.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by callamdelaney »

hoppp wrote: post #218
callamdelaney wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the only true solution. Parents need to take responsibility for what their kids are doing online, what they’re viewing and who they’re talking to. This generation of parents should be prepared for that but apparently not.

How? Keyloggers and spying? What if the parents hate gays but their kid is in the closet seeking help? Having uncontrolled access to information about sex and sexuality is a blessing not a curse. It saves lives. And I bet its much better having kids at home jacking off to porn than them having sex with girls early. Urges are normal, porn is good.

Weird that I can’t downvote this unhinged response. ‘Porn is good’.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by jalapeno_a »

JodieBenitez wrote: post #4

Because apparently french parents can't handle the education of their children.

Mindgeek is a very gross corporation that’s involved in human trafficking, anything that discriminates against them is good.
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