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Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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post #144

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You don't have multiple choices. The appeal of Peak Netflix was that it had everything in one place with reasonably working discovery mechanisms. You could pay $10 or so per month and be satisfied. The current streaming era is "if you want to see all your favourite shows, it will cost $60 per month and you'll have to bounce around among 12 apps to find what you want." If we had a mandatory-licensing regime, I'd expec…

> You don't have multiple choices. The comic depicts "Netflix" -> "Netflix Amazon Apple Disney+ Hulu YouTube", and you later implicitly say there are multiple choices, but, you don't think it works well. "If we had a mandatory-licensing regime, I'd expect multiple choices would work great." > Services couldn't survive on "Only we have The Office/Game of Thrones/Bluey" alone and would have to differentiate based on ot…

Streaming apps are like grocery stores. In both, there is very little value add besides that they aggregate products. And in both the customer wants to get to their product with the least amount of friction possible.

You will notice that in most places, grocery store market has stabilized to an oligopoly, where almost every where multiple grocery stores exist, all of whom offer more or less the same range of products with some variations.

I would imagine if any streaming-app could license any content, the market would evolve to a similar equilibrium. Largely similar products, with some minor variations (some stores offering discount/luxury items at cheap/higher prices). Margins would be fairly low. But most customers will be fine with going to exactly one store/app over and over again.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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one extra thing to mention is he role of Telefonica here. they are both an ISP that needs to apply the blocks, but also its subsidiary "Telefonica Audiovisual", who holds rights for the football, is a plaintiff. one of the claims were that this is somewhat a procedural fraud since the plaintiff (Telefonica Audiovisual) and the defendant (Telefonica Spain) is technically the same thing. the order was granted after the…

What’s even more confusing is how can a Spanish court just order a legitimately registered taxpaying Spanish business (assuming cloudflare has done so) to shut down their services without even a chance to provide an argument?

Welcome to China! Or America Or Europe… wait where is this again?

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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post #109

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Mandating 100% availability sounds like regulating pi to 3.0. It can’t be done. If someone is on a home network whose router has been compromised and is part of a ddos attack, there’s no way their innocent HTTP traffic is getting through. Ditto if their machine has been compromised. Lots of scenarios where an innocent user must be blocked, unless the entire internet is reinvented. Which is beyond the scope of my proj…

> It can’t be done. If someone is on a home network whose router has been compromised and is part of a ddos attack, there’s no way their innocent HTTP traffic is getting through. Ditto if their machine has been compromised. To me, this sounds like giving up way too easily on engineering problems. One distinction to start with: Let's say grandma's router isn't part of a DDoS attack. Even if she might be trying to talk…

Great, please start a service to do this. From my perspective, it can’t be done. I would be thrilled to be wrong!

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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post #171

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Do you really need a source that most people don't hate other people?

Is there something wrong with asking for a source?

When they call the other person's claim propaganda and are trying to state their own as fact, they should be able to back it up with something.

I'm not going to blindly take something like that as fact, especially considering recent (but also historical) events.

(Might also not be relevant but I will clarify anyway: I am not American)

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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How come no one is mentioning the obvious solution -- LaLiga needs to make their product as easy to access as piracy. If they offered worldwide streaming of the matches available on an easy interface at a reasonable price, then none of this would be a problem. Piracy is almost never about the price -- it's almost always about the availability. Especially when it comes to live sports.

This solution clearly does not actually work. Musicians make pittances off of streaming in comparison to the money they made with physical media. Hollywood has seen strikes and streaming services continually raise prices.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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post #148

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Whatsapp has mechanisms to prevent this kind of thing by blocking the messages from being sent, but I guess I'm confused about how this works financially. Sports streaming (especially something like La Liga) is the textbook example of a mass market product. The vast majority of the audience isn't technically sophisticated, and live streaming infrastructure is expensive. Pirate sites need a reasonably large audience t…

> Is that really happening at any meaningful scale? Anecdotally: oh yes. I don’t know anybody who pays, although that may say more about the populations I work with and hang out with. I hear there’s plenty of headroom for the direct economics to work, if you’re reselling for less than the ~EUR100/month range the commercial providers charge [1]. Gross median income in Spain is on the order of EUR27000 annually, for re…

That price point is insane. How could it ever rise to such a level that it prices out almost the entire audience of potentially casual subscribers?

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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post #46

I see so many people in these threads always complain about Cloudflare or Google CAPTCHA loops.. but even when using Private Internet Access (one of the most abused VPNs), I rarely if ever got on a full-on loop. Maybe Google CAPTCHA made me solve 3 things instead of one. Cloudflare is always just a checkbox. And I have my Brave and Firefox profiles hardened. I'm not saying you aren't experiencing this, but I am curio…

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Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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post #113

I never watched sports but my kids want to, so tried to buy them subscription to some sport broadcaster. Bundesliga, F1, NHL and FIFA world cup, that's all I (they) needed. It turned to total mess. Service A shows F1 but not NHL. Service B shows NHL but not all NHL, only games where my city team plays. Some show LaLiga but not Bundesliga. All cost $30/mo but still show ads. Periodically they show ads instead of the e…

I have done something similar too, as I wanted to watch a specific football game - Barcelona v Real Madrid - and it was available on a different streamer to the THREE that I already have. So I simply took the easier route.

A clear example of how piracy is really a service problem.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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post #172

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Back in the 90s when most people didn't have broadband internet or CDROM burners piracy was very big business.

If you mean bootlegs, then it's been big business for way longer than the 90s.

Electronic bootlegs, most likely they meant.
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