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Re: Coffee for people who don't like coffee

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Post by jpgvm »

herbst wrote: post #191
iamthemonster wrote: post #125

It's quite interesting how coffee is treated in different cultures. In Australia, coffee would normally be consumed as a dark roast, but with texturised (that is aerated and steamed to create a microfoam). Dark roast coffee is less acidic, and when made into an espresso + texturised milk drink it becomes very sweet and smooth tasting. Light roasts used in espresso-based milky drinks are not so pleasant, and are more…

Australia also has some of the best coffee beans I've tried. Afaik most of the coffee they consume is imported from elsewhere.

Australia not growing coffee is somewhat ironic, given we worship the stuff. Melbourne in particular, it's our religion and we have temples on every corner.

Re: Coffee for people who don't like coffee

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Post by jpgvm »

kaishiro wrote: post #45
maxwellg wrote: post #37

During Covid I spent a lot of time on my home coffee setup - I've since dialed it back but I've kept the pourover, the grinder, and the Chemex. We found a local business that roasts beans in their garage that we love. The biggest problem is that really good coffee ruins bad coffee foreger. After making my own for so long, traveling and dealing with gas station or hotel breakfast coffee is especially jarring. Sometime…

It’s funny you mention that. I moved to Melbourne AU a while back and quickly realized how bad the coffee I had been drinking my whole life had been. I honestly had trouble finding a bad cup of coffee there - although as it’s primarily an espresso based coffee culture it’s admittedly quite a different animal. I dove in pretty deep over the years, finally ending up with a Silvia/Mazzer setup, but oddly enough would so…

We don't really have sketchy diner drip coffee but we do have fancy approximations like batch brew that sort of capture the idea but taste better heh.

I think -actually- serving crappy diner coffee in Melbourne might be considered a hate crime against our culture though lol.

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Post by nkrisc »

dgunay wrote: post #11
nkrisc wrote: post #7

1. Good beans. Something not roasted to a charred crisp (looking at you, Starbucks). Eat a coffee bean by itself. If it tastes bad on its own, it’ll probably taste bad in the brew too. I enjoy munching a few beans while I make my coffee. 1.5 Buy your beans whole and grind them. It really makes a difference. 2. Clean water. If your water tastes bad, so will the coffee. I just use filtered water from the fridge. 3. No…

That's pretty much how a french press works, if anyone wants to try it. Loads of cheap french presses available everywhere. It's very portable too if you need to make coffee and have nothing but water, heat, and ground coffee.

Yep, though I like a brewer that lets me easily remove the grounds when I'm down brewing, as I don't want it steeping any longer after that as I find it negatively affects the taste if I come back to top up my cup a little later.

Re: Coffee for people who don't like coffee

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Post by kaishiro »

jpgvm wrote: post #212
kaishiro wrote: post #45

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It’s funny you mention that. I moved to Melbourne AU a while back and quickly realized how bad the coffee I had been drinking my whole life had been. I honestly had trouble finding a bad cup of coffee there - although as it’s primarily an espresso based coffee culture it’s admittedly quite a different animal. I dove in pretty deep over the years, finally ending up with a Silvia/Mazzer setup, but oddly enough would so…

We don't really have sketchy diner drip coffee but we do have fancy approximations like batch brew that sort of capture the idea but taste better heh. I think -actually- serving crappy diner coffee in Melbourne might be considered a hate crime against our culture though lol.

Yes, the rise of batch brew in Melbourne has scared me a bit - because while it is generally higher quality than most American diners at the end of the day it’s just a large pot of pour over that’s been sitting in a carafe. When there is so much good coffee to be had the city it seems criminal! (Yes, I’m being hyperbolic)

Re: Coffee for people who don't like coffee

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Post by nkrisc »

rectang wrote: post #62
nkrisc wrote: post #7

1. Good beans. Something not roasted to a charred crisp (looking at you, Starbucks). Eat a coffee bean by itself. If it tastes bad on its own, it’ll probably taste bad in the brew too. I enjoy munching a few beans while I make my coffee. 1.5 Buy your beans whole and grind them. It really makes a difference. 2. Clean water. If your water tastes bad, so will the coffee. I just use filtered water from the fridge. 3. No…

> Something not roasted to a charred crisp (looking at you, Starbucks). Not everyone is going to like less-roasted beans. Less roasted beans have strong, distinct flavors which might be characterized as "green" or "floral" or "woodsy", and it's true that a lot of the individuality of the bean varieties is obscured by darker roasts. But I for one usually prefer the standard roasts of the mainstream vendors over the li…

I mean, sure, if you like that then please, go right ahead. I just know a few people who thought they didn't like coffee, but realized they just didn't like heavily roasted beans. I think most prepared coffee you get at places like Starbucks or Dunkin Donuts, that most people will end up trying, is roasted very dark. So they think they don't like coffee. And maybe they don't, or they just don't like very dark roasts which is all you're going to get in most places.

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Post by nkrisc »

SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #114
jamroom wrote: post #68

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My experience with people who "don't like the taste of coffee" usually has been that they don't like how bitter and strong the taste is, which is almost always tasting the "roast" instead of the bean. Single origin light roast is the way to go if you want a really good non-coffee tasting cup of coffee. My recommendation is central america single origin (Guatamala, Costa Rica, etc) - the beans from this region tend to…

I don't like the taste of coffee. I don't like coffee in chocolate (though I don't like chocolate much to begin with), I don't like Tiramisu, I loathe coffee-flavored jelly beans, I've tried light roasts & didn't like them, medium roasts & didn't like them, dark roasts & definitely didn't like them, and several varieties of bean and liked none. I just don't like coffee flavor .

And that's the other side of the coin, some just don't like it. I think even for many people who do like coffee it is still an acquired taste initially.

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Post by nkrisc »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #128
SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #114

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I don't like the taste of coffee. I don't like coffee in chocolate (though I don't like chocolate much to begin with), I don't like Tiramisu, I loathe coffee-flavored jelly beans, I've tried light roasts & didn't like them, medium roasts & didn't like them, dark roasts & definitely didn't like them, and several varieties of bean and liked none. I just don't like coffee flavor .

> though I don't like chocolate much to begin with say what you like about coffee - it's disgusting, bitter, horrible tasting stuff. but chocolate ? I shall beat thee as fine as the dust of the earth, I shall stamp thee as the mire of the street, and cast thee abroad.

> say what you like about coffee - it's disgusting, bitter, horrible tasting stuff.

And so is chocolate, unless you put an absurd amount of sugar in it.

I drink my coffee black, though, no milk or sugar. When I've got a good bean and I prepared it just right, it reminds me of unsweetened chocolate, in a good way.

After all, coffee and chocolate both originate with the roasted seeds of a fruit.

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Post by amluto »

herbst wrote: post #201
90s_dev wrote: post #117

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Your response just makes me more confident that I'm making the right choice by boiling coffee in a pot of water and washing it with plain dish soap afterwards.

You can just buy the commercial cleaner bottle once a year, follow whatever the bottle says and press the "clean routine" button on almost any machine.

There are plenty of machines for which the manufacturer cheaped out on buttons and displays, so instead you press a complicated sequence of buttons that is poorly described in the manual. And a machines, especially drip machines, are not easy to safely rinse, so getting the cleaner back out can be extremely challenging.

Re: Coffee for people who don't like coffee

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Post by dagw »

owebmaster wrote: post #97
zwaps wrote: post #92

I hate modern coffee. It tastes like sour water, or at best like tea. It tastes nothing like good coffee, the properties of which we already figured out long ago eg. in a good Italian espresso. And then these people dump all aggregates of milk in their 19ml of white roasted coffee, only to guarantee that they do not taste any coffee at all. Here is a hint: If you do not like coffee, you are allowed not to drink it! S…

> I hate modern coffee. :s/modern/US My coffee in Brazil is still as pure, strong and black as 20 years ago. And no sugar.

s/modern/US

Nah, you can find places that server that style of 'modern' coffee all over Europe as well if you go to the right (wrong?) places.

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Post by dagw »

herbst wrote: post #197
owebmaster wrote: post #97

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> I hate modern coffee. :s/modern/US My coffee in Brazil is still as pure, strong and black as 20 years ago. And no sugar.

I was wondering about "modern" too. I am surrounded by good coffee in Switzerland, better quality just getting more common. Starbucks is soacially accepted to be bad quality. Nearly everyone I know has a coffee machine or espresso machine or at least a proper mocca thingy. Like owning a fridge or a washing machine

'Modern' coffee has many parallel movements and developments, and all of it certainly isn't for everyone. You see this in all kinds of areas, like for example beer, where you have development of both better quality 'basic' local lagers and experimental sour beers happening in parallel. End result everybody gets access to better beer that appeals to them, even if there is also lot of beer that not only won't appeal, but that they'll consider virtually undrinkable.
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