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NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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That's not any different than it has been.

> That's not any different than it has been.

Good point. Exactly like when the Biden administration decided to cancel all grants to Harvard University because they didn't allow a government takeover of the university.

Oh, wait, that didn't happen.

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The irony is that in their supposed effort to "Make America Great Again" they're going to end up accelerating China's rise. We may have decided that basic research is no longer something we want to do, but China's going to continue to forge ahead and leave us in the dust. All thanks to people who have no understanding of how anything works, but only want to tear things down that they don't understand.

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If you're going with the great conspiracy of GOP as Russian assets, you should also add Elon Musk and the other tech robber barons as Russian assets as well.

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> Unfortunately a majority of American voters saw what happened in the first Trump term and decided that they wanted more of it, with even fewer controls and restrictions. I'm not sure this accurately conveys the situation. American voters have been dissatisfied with the lesser of two evils choice foisted upon them every 4 years for decades. We're 75 years into endless wars. Massive numbers of union high paying jobs…

I'm sorry, but that sounds like an excuse. Yes, when you have to vote between the lesser of two evils, but one of them is blatantly more evil and incompetent than the other, you're responsible for choosing the more evil and incompetent option and the damage that results. No system is perfect, and few countries provide morally and politically pure options to vote for in national elections. So an informed and engaged p…

It seems like you're trying to argue and assign blame.

I'm not here for that. Just explaining what I understand of what the blue collar folks I know are thinking.

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The NSF budget is ~$10billion. That's about half of NASA's, 1.2% of the DoD's, 0.5% of the discretionary budget ($1.7 trillion). Why is this the focus of the admin? Science is one of the few things the US is doing well.

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These are the same people that zeroed out research funding on transgenic mice because they thought it was the same as transgendered.

That ended up not being the gotcha that y'all thought it was and CNN had to add a correction on their fact-check because mice were indeed being administered cross-sex hormone therapy, just not for the purpose of changing their sex. One of the experiments in particular was to determine how gender-affirming care would affect humans, which indeed makes it at odds with the administration's DEI policy and is not just them…

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Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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I have been in and out of the academic world my entire career. I have worked as a programmer/engineer for two universities and a national lab, and worked at a startup founded by some professors. There is huge uncertainty with the people whom I have worked with, nobody seems to be sure what is going to happen, but it feels like it wont be good. Hiring freezes, international graduate students receiving emails to self d…

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> not artificially try to fund it through taxes

What makes it artificial?

[EDIT] Rather, yes, of course it's artificial, what do you mean by bringing that up? Corporations and money are also artificial, so... what does that matter? In fact, all research is artificial.

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While I disagree with this perception that Trump is a "Russian asset", whatever this means, I agree that his whole goal in the second term is to punish the people who opposed him in the first term. He'll do everything he can to make their lives miserable for the foreseeable future, and he doesn't care if this will destroy the country.

> While I disagree with this perception that Trump is a "Russian asset", whatever this means If you don't understand what it means, how can you know you disagree with it?

It's an undefined term that changes with whatever conspiracy they want to push. That's why I disagree with it. I don't like Trump, but he's the result of bad decisions made in America, not by some foreign power.

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Unfortunately a majority of American voters saw what happened in the first Trump term and decided that they wanted more of it, with even fewer controls and restrictions. The OP is correct, Americans collectively own this just as other countries' nationals have owned responsibility for the bad governments they've put into power. If the general response is one of absolving themselves of responsibility there won't be th…

> If the general response is one of absolving themselves of responsibility there won't be the necessary level of reflection and reform to prevent it from happening again. Where did I absolve anything? I just corrected something that was wrong. I didn't vote for the guy either time, I don't like this either.

I didn't direct that at you, but at the general response of the American public. Apologies for not making that clear.

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Maybe somewhat indirectly, but the US population did elect those people in the usual sense of the word.

They "elected" candidates who were chosen for them.

They chose between two candidates chosen via the US presidential primaries. Party members vote for delegates, who vote for a presidential candidate. Republicans chose Trump, then people who voted Republican at the election chose him over the alternative=.

He did not hide his fascist and dictatorial desires and he was open about how he wanted to dismantle the government. When he lost in 2020 he threw a fit and tried to have people do a coup. People did in fact elect him, I can just hope that his actions don't leave too much lasting damage here in Canada. (Maybe de-funding US science will help start to reverse decades of brain drain.)

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