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the labor movement really needs to get beyond this stereotype that it is to lift all these hunched poor little downtrodden suppliants out of poverty. workers who have successfully organized are not pitiful schlubs, and their affluence is a testament to the success of their organizing, not its triviality. political interests of the labor class just are not the same as those of capital, and therefore its methods and ai…
one thing that i've been repeating for years now is that if you want tech to organize, unions need to sell themselves differently. unions in the past are portrayed as remove physical dangers, limiting to reasonable hours and fair wages. but tech workers already have that stuff, so they don't see an upside. codetermination (getting workers on the board), four day work weeks, full-time remote, sabbaticals, open source…
The Brief Origins of May Day
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> We make a lot of money. Not compared to many unionized industries. Workers in professional sports and entertainment, for example, which fully embrace labor unions, make software developers look like they work for peanuts. > Unions exist because workers were literally being killed by their employers. Labor unions have formed when death was actually on the horizon because death was on the horizon, but labor unions to…
> Workers in professional sports and entertainment, for example, which fully embrace labor unions, make software developers look like they work for peanuts. I am pretty sure that union is not the most significant part why pay is high here.
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It's not ok to post political or ideological flamewar comments to HN, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. Both of your posts to this thread (this one and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43857366 ) have broken the site guidelines. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
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Making the generous assumption that there is a gap in your cultural knowledge and sharing the source of these two lines with background context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_Forever
I have clear conflicts of interest with the working class, who work in factories. If I were in a union it should advocate for factory workers working more.
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Yes there is. I hate unions and I hate union work and I love doing my job.
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If you'd please stop creating accounts to abuse HN like this, we'd appreciate it.
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You posted 19 comments since then, most of which are perpetuating this flamewar. No matter how wrong someone else is or you feel they are, this is abusive, and we ban accounts that do it.
Fortunately, it looks like your comment history is mostly fine (at least the parts of it that I skimmed back through) so this should be easy to fix.
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I’ve always thought of it in these terms: Working class: you are sustained by your current labor. Upper class: you can sustain yourself based on the returns from your investments more-or-less indefinitely. Middle class, between the two: you can sustain yourself off your investments for so long that you can’t practically be threatened by unemployment. It is a labor relations issue explicitly, you need a union if you a…
I honestly think the "middle class" idea is just a fallacy. It feels like it's used by people to distance themselves from "working class" because they feel that working class is somehow beneath them. All of the middle class in todays parlance are just slightly more affluent working class. If you sell your time for money you are working class. If you make money from having money you are bourgeoisie. If you have to thi…
One definition I found reasonable was that it it "starts" with those that can meet their basic necessities (housing, food, transportation, healthcare) and still have funds left over for discretionary spending:
* https://ofdollarsanddata.com/the-biggest-lie-in-personal-fin...
Where it "ends" at top-end is perhaps more arbitrary (not Top 10%? 20%? 1%?).
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Could you name a few?
Government of Russian federation and significant part of Russian society that supports reconquering territories Russia used to control. Soccer hooligan vandals. Corrupt local politicians. Some vandals obsessed with damaging community-run geodata collection project. People who thing that overregulating everything in Europe is an exciting adventure and we should have more of it. Climate change deniers, people misunders…
I realize that many other users have been doing this as well, but each HN commenter needs to stick to the intended use of the site regardless of what others are doing.
Fortunately, it looks like your comment history is mostly fine (at least the parts of it that I skimmed back through) so this should be easy to fix.
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> Workers in professional sports and entertainment, for example, which fully embrace labor unions, make software developers look like they work for peanuts. I am pretty sure that union is not the most significant part why pay is high here.
We're all pretty sure of that. How did you come to conclude that others might have thought differently?