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Re: We're building a dystopia just to make people click on ads [video]

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post #97

I accepted cookies, watched an ad, dismissed a popup for a newsletter to watch a video about ads. That really nails it.

The funny thing is that we fought so hard against pop-ups throughout the 90's and 2000's only to re-implement pop-ups in javascript as soon as we could.

> we fought so hard against pop-ups throughout the 90's and 2000's only to re-implement pop-ups in javascript as soon as we could

A group of people who thought that web users should not be abused may have won the first pop-up battle, but the businesses that made money from intrusive advertisements clearly won the war.

In hindsight maybe it wasn't a such a great idea for web users to switch en masse to a browser made by an advertising company.

The endgame is a probably a war between web sites that are endless mazes of advertising and user agents that try to navigate the maze and extract the non-advertising content.

Re: We're building a dystopia just to make people click on ads [video]

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Re: We're building a dystopia just to make people click on ads [video]

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I think the problem is, I feel like most ads are so empty,hollow & fraudful on the internet... I am okay with ads, if they aren't all the above. But I don't know what the Algorithm overlord serves me as an Ad, so I use Ublock Origin. I actually think ads should probably be changed from paid promotion to actually use that money on such a good level of ad that even if you release it as a standalone video for example, p…

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Re: We're building a dystopia just to make people click on ads [video]

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The funny thing is that we fought so hard against pop-ups throughout the 90's and 2000's only to re-implement pop-ups in javascript as soon as we could.

> we fought so hard against pop-ups throughout the 90's and 2000's only to re-implement pop-ups in javascript as soon as we could A group of people who thought that web users should not be abused may have won the first pop-up battle, but the businesses that made money from intrusive advertisements clearly won the war. In hindsight maybe it wasn't a such a great idea for web users to switch en masse to a browser made…

I don’t know if hindsight is quite right. There were people raising alarms about this when Chrome initially came out and repeatedly as it grew in popularity. Especially when sites started requiring Chrome. It’s just they were dismissed as conspiracy theorists or brushed aside because right now Chrome is faster and the present is all that matters. This was 100% pushed by tech enthusiasts and web developers… the average person would’ve otherwise stuck with their OS default browser.

I’m not trying to correct you. It’s just a sequence of events I’ve seen play out repeatedly and I’m not sure if there’s a solution. Most recently I’ve seen it with Bambu Lab locking down their 3D printers. Prior to that Autodesk yanking the Fusion 360 enthusiast licenses.

Maybe there isn’t a solution. There’s a lot of UX work that isn’t fun to do and so it’s hard to get volunteers to do it. It’s hard to do product management in a distributed group of volunteers in general. So, companies that can afford to bankroll projects often gain traction with performance or usability gains and suck away attention and funding from open source options. Then when they amass enough of the user base they flip the switch and now folks are stuck. The cost of changing is often prohibitively high and the OSS option is generally far behind at that point.

I think people are bad at thinking longer term. Or maybe they just prefer immediate gratification. In any event, absent a shift in human behavior I expect we’ll see this sort of situation to continue to play out. It’d just be nice if folks were less antagonistic about it when those concerned raise that alarm.

Re: We're building a dystopia just to make people click on ads [video]

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The funny thing is that we fought so hard against pop-ups throughout the 90's and 2000's only to re-implement pop-ups in javascript as soon as we could.

> we fought so hard against pop-ups throughout the 90's and 2000's only to re-implement pop-ups in javascript as soon as we could A group of people who thought that web users should not be abused may have won the first pop-up battle, but the businesses that made money from intrusive advertisements clearly won the war. In hindsight maybe it wasn't a such a great idea for web users to switch en masse to a browser made…

"OK Gemini, please take this 10-minute video on youtube and give me a version without any advertising or promotional content."

"I'm sorry Dave, but I am unable to accept requests that oppose Google's business interests."

"Well, send it to ChatGPT then!"

"Sure thing. Here is your... 5 second video:"

(Video) "Hey what's up? Be sure to like and subscribe." (end of video)

Re: We're building a dystopia just to make people click on ads [video]

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post #97

I accepted cookies, watched an ad, dismissed a popup for a newsletter to watch a video about ads. That really nails it.

The funny thing is that we fought so hard against pop-ups throughout the 90's and 2000's only to re-implement pop-ups in javascript as soon as we could.

I use the following code (as a toolbar bookmarklette) for a quick button which disables all pop-overs/cookie requests:

    javascript:/*https://bookmarkl.ink/ashtonmeuser/849a972686e1505093c6d4fc5c6e0b1a*/(()%3D%3E%7Bvar%20e%2Co%3Ddocument.querySelectorAll(%22body%20*%22)%3Bfor(e%3D0%3Be%3Co.length%3Be%2B%2B)getComputedStyle(o%5Be%5D).position%3D%3D%3D%22fixed%22%26%26o%5Be%5D.parentNode.removeChild(o%5Be%5D)%3B%7D)()%3B%0A
Doesn't always work (sometimes it kills the website functionality), and I have no clue what it's actually doing (I'm not a coder)... but usually it gets rid of hover-overs.

Re: We're building a dystopia just to make people click on ads [video]

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I accepted cookies, watched an ad, dismissed a popup for a newsletter to watch a video about ads. That really nails it.

I'm reminded of the videos about procrastination on youtube where people seem to never, ever, ever tire of comenting to say things like:

"I'm watching a video about procrastination... and I've got a test tomrrow! Lolol!"

Obviously your comment is the refined HN equivalent, but still.

Re: We're building a dystopia just to make people click on ads [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm like the parent, on Safari – apparently also using an "inferior" way to block ads that, somehow, inexplicably, works 100% of the time and has never let an ad slip through. Is it supposed to be inferior because it's brittle and requires constant work on the side of the developer? Is it blocking too much and I'm just not aware of it? Is there some new ad tech that it's not prepared for, and can't adapt to, and will…

Me too but expect this to stop working though.

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Re: We're building a dystopia just to make people click on ads [video]

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post #28

My way to circumvent most of this: I am using Safari with AdBlock Pro and AdBlock and see zero ads when browsing the web. I spend more time on YouTube than I care to admit, so I got a Premium subscription, bought an extension called UnTrap for YouTube to hide most recommendations and turned off all YouTube history etc. I regularly visit BlueSky, Hacker News and YouTube, but not X, TikTok, Instagram or Facebook. The h…

> I am using Safari with AdBlock Pro and AdBlock and see zero ads when browsing the web.

Safari's vestigial "never auto-play" setting has never worked, and still doesn't.

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