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Re: Daily driving a Linux phone, but why?

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Post by yencabulator » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 9:24 PM UTC

guappa wrote: post #67

xorcist wrote: post #65

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Server software is usually compartmentalized in uid:s but desktop software seldom is, if ever. Package managers and maintainers could do a lot here to make it easier. Some things long time Linux users like to do, like running Firefox as a separate user, is still a much more involved process than it should be. A lot of it is probably standards and culture work, like where a user can expect to store files and have them…

You're going to deal with the users who can't attach a file to an email because the firefox process has no access to it?

The Flatpak/XDG people are standardizing the concept of "portal"s for doing things that need help from outside the sandbox. A properly sandboxed Flatpak app can only open files bind-mounted for it via a portal call.

Re: Daily driving a Linux phone, but why?

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Post by yencabulator » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 9:34 PM UTC

xcircle wrote: post #176

I‘m looking for Liberux. This is an european (Spain) development. They got actually their first dev board. https://liberux.net

What UI are they planning on putting on top of their fork of Debian?

Re: Daily driving a Linux phone, but why?

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Post by fossman » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 9:53 PM UTC

MelodyUwU wrote: post #177

jonesjohnson wrote: post #89

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How are you dealing with companies that force you to use an Android app? There are so many services in daily life where people just expect me to have an Android/iPhone device. Those things are increasingly difficult to achieve in a different way.

spoiler: i dont. i dont need to, simply. my bank can be accessed fully through the website, and that is how i use it. most services i have i use through email or some other form of interaction that does not require an app. i simply do not use these services, and thus i dont need to even have an app for them. if im lucky, it will work on waydroid, but i dont have a lot inside waydroid. so, yeah, it is easy for me as o…

This is also my approach. I use the bank websites. If any dirty fiat banking cartel or other group try to force their app down my throat, I simply take my money and go elsewhere!

This is the only way we can solve this. $$$ is the only language these crooks understand.

Re: Daily driving a Linux phone, but why?

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Post by snapplebobapple » Sat, Apr 26, 2025, 1:08 AM UTC

phones need a standardization moment so they end up like desktops so anyone can run whatever they want on them

Re: Daily driving a Linux phone, but why?

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Post by brewdad » Sat, Apr 26, 2025, 5:29 AM UTC

seba_dos1 wrote: post #151

AAAAaccountAAAA wrote: post #116

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Ouch. It seems to be even more incomplete than I thought. The lack of Bluetooth and GPS is kind of surprising, since those things have worked on Linux laptops for at least a couple of decades or so.

Both work fine on Librem 5 as well and have worked for years now.

Then why haven't they updated their site to inform potential users? It would make me worry it's about to be an abandoned project. I've dealt with enough of those in my life.

Re: Daily driving a Linux phone, but why?

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Post by satanfirst » Sat, Apr 26, 2025, 7:15 AM UTC

SahAssar wrote: post #203

gehsty wrote: post #145

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As a layman in terms of security and operating systems, is this actually more secure or private than using iOS in lockdown mode and communicating via iMessage? Feels OTT for anything you might talk about in a personal relationship

A lot of privacy fanatics (myself included) are also open source fanatics. I like to be able to wrap my own tinfoil hat even if it is harder and a bit more uncomfortable.

Uncomfortable yes, but you need to pay attention to details that big tinfoil fashion can't be bothered with. For example, you can't use Reynolds wrap because it was modified with preforations for the government. They say that was to keep your Jonny Wurster's from smoking crack, but obviously sub-nanometer waves..

Re: Daily driving a Linux phone, but why?

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Post by gehsty » Sat, Apr 26, 2025, 10:45 AM UTC

SahAssar wrote: post #203

gehsty wrote: post #145

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As a layman in terms of security and operating systems, is this actually more secure or private than using iOS in lockdown mode and communicating via iMessage? Feels OTT for anything you might talk about in a personal relationship

A lot of privacy fanatics (myself included) are also open source fanatics. I like to be able to wrap my own tinfoil hat even if it is harder and a bit more uncomfortable.

Does this mean that open source is more important than privacy to people of this mindset? Again from my layman’s perspective I would expect the hardened iPhone, using iMessage and key verification, to be more secure.

Re: Daily driving a Linux phone, but why?

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Post by pengaru » Sat, Apr 26, 2025, 4:16 PM UTC

seba_dos1 wrote: post #154

teddyh wrote: post #127

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That image is seriously out of date. Bluetooth, GPS, and even recording video all work fine.

Video recording implementation could be better though, but other stuff works well indeed :) In fact all things from that chart are there and have been there for years now, including 20h battery life and encrypted SIP calls.

20h battery life? Mine comes nowhere close to that with all hw switches off and only playing mp3's... Are you quoting a when suspended figure or something?

Re: Daily driving a Linux phone, but why?

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Post by SahAssar » Sat, Apr 26, 2025, 10:39 PM UTC

satanfirst wrote: post #216

SahAssar wrote: post #203

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A lot of privacy fanatics (myself included) are also open source fanatics. I like to be able to wrap my own tinfoil hat even if it is harder and a bit more uncomfortable.

Uncomfortable yes, but you need to pay attention to details that big tinfoil fashion can't be bothered with. For example, you can't use Reynolds wrap because it was modified with preforations for the government. They say that was to keep your Jonny Wurster's from smoking crack, but obviously sub-nanometer waves..

I'm usually wearing a simple double-williams wrap with a D-battery on top for charge. Keep safe from those 5G's, friend.

Re: Daily driving a Linux phone, but why?

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Post by SahAssar » Sat, Apr 26, 2025, 10:51 PM UTC

gehsty wrote: post #217

SahAssar wrote: post #203

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A lot of privacy fanatics (myself included) are also open source fanatics. I like to be able to wrap my own tinfoil hat even if it is harder and a bit more uncomfortable.

Does this mean that open source is more important than privacy to people of this mindset? Again from my layman’s perspective I would expect the hardened iPhone, using iMessage and key verification, to be more secure.

Well, first of all I think if something is open source it will tend to be more privacy-focused since it will disclose what it tracks. People will either find that acceptable or fork and change.

> Does this mean that open source is more important than privacy to people of this mindset?

Not exactly, but I think the questions should really be something like "who is the guarantor of your privacy?"

If you are happy with it being a corporation like apple then you're fine. I'm not, and what we consider more secure would have to be a much deeper conversation in which we actually define our threat models.