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Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by 34679 »

lurk2 wrote: post #200
34679 wrote: post #196

Kagi search is great, but I'm not willing to pay more than $5/mo for search and 300 searches isn't enough. I have no interest in Kagi AI. Adding more searches would've caused me to sign up again. A rate limit instead of a monthly limit would prevent the "search anxiety" that creeps in as your available searches dwindle. Make it so and you can have my money again.

I suspect that Kagi’s price point might be a close approximation of what these services actually cost to provide without being subsidized by ad services and data harvesting; free search can only really sustain itself under those conditions. Heavy users who block ads have been getting subsidized by other users for decades now, and this has led these users to expect these services to be provided at an unrealistically l…

If they can't scale 300 searches for way less than $5 in costs, they are doing something very wrong. Consider that you can get 1M tokens of inference for less.

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Post by packetlost »

34679 wrote: post #196

Kagi search is great, but I'm not willing to pay more than $5/mo for search and 300 searches isn't enough. I have no interest in Kagi AI. Adding more searches would've caused me to sign up again. A rate limit instead of a monthly limit would prevent the "search anxiety" that creeps in as your available searches dwindle. Make it so and you can have my money again.

I've been paying for the $10/m for quite awhile now and it's one of the better QoL subscriptions I have.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by eightysixfour »

basch wrote: post #193
colonial wrote: post #15

> A note on our fair-use policy > Basically our policy states that you can use AI models based on your plan’s value. Although I likely won't use Assistant, stuff like this is why I love Kagi. My relationship with them as a customer feels refreshingly transparent; I can't think of any other consumer SaaS provider that automatically answers my reflexive "how does this make money?" question. (Compare, say, Discord. It's…

The thing still giving me pause is a lack of "bring your own model connection" between saas uh services. If I already pay for Gemini Advanced (or OpenAI/ChagtGPT Pro), I then have to pay for it again at every service that offers a Pro 2.5 (or 4.1/4o) tier. I should be able to connect my Gemini Advanced access to any service that offers Flash and be able to upgrade. Signing up for a bunch of services is starting to fe…

I really feel like the software model is going to start to break in a couple of ways in the near future.

Instead of vertical software slices, many people are going to want their single “horizontal” agent that they pay for (e.g Gemini Advanced, Claude) and connectivity to all of their other services.

MCP (which I personally think is a mediocre protocol, so it will probably win) as the glue for a bunch of services we OAUTH against and choose when our agents do/do not have access to certain tools.

The idea of a “GPT” App Store from OpenAI was sort of right, but just wrong enough. We are going to have an App Store inside of our preferred AI platform and subscribe/connect our other services from there.

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Post by dymk »

34679 wrote: post #211
lurk2 wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect that Kagi’s price point might be a close approximation of what these services actually cost to provide without being subsidized by ad services and data harvesting; free search can only really sustain itself under those conditions. Heavy users who block ads have been getting subsidized by other users for decades now, and this has led these users to expect these services to be provided at an unrealistically l…

If they can't scale 300 searches for way less than $5 in costs, they are doing something very wrong. Consider that you can get 1M tokens of inference for less.

You can get 1M tokens of inference because it's subsidized by VC money. The whole point of the parent comment is that this is closer to the actual cost to provide a service.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by diggan »

I'm not sure how to access this, both the link in the top right inside Kagi and from "The direct link to the Assistant" (https://kagi.com/assistant) from the docs, just lead me back to the same docs page. Anyone know what's going on and seeing the same issue? I'm on the "Professional" if that matters.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by weird-eye-issue »

7bit wrote: post #55
colonial wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Revenue != profit. Discord, like almost every 2010s SaaS startup, has revenue (from your Nitro) - but not nearly enough to cover expenses.

Not enough to cover expenses? Do you understand what you're saying? That they're running a deficit for 15 years. Companies must make profit, or they vanish. They clearly make a profit, otherwise they would no longer exist.

This is particularly an ironic comment given that this is the forum run by a company that invests in companies that are not yet profitable and are often not profitable for years if ever

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by macrocosmos »

basch wrote: post #204
everforward wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt that fits in the usage model for those pricing plans. They're priced assuming it's inconvenient and less used because of it. I keep hearing they're losing money anyways, so despite being triple or quadruple dipped you're still paying less than it costs to run the models.

How would it cost Kagi anything, if I bring my own keys and all the costs are offloaded to my personal Google/ChatGPT account? I pay them the $10/month and get the Unlimited Pro access (but only to models I subsidize the cost of.) If anything it would save them money to offload my usage to my account vs using up some of their Flash tier quota. It would be ideal for them for LLM access portability to let them offer hi…

I think they might be talking about the cost to the model providers.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by moelf »

diggan wrote: post #215

I'm not sure how to access this, both the link in the top right inside Kagi and from "The direct link to the Assistant" ( https://kagi.com/assistant ) from the docs, just lead me back to the same docs page. Anyone know what's going on and seeing the same issue? I'm on the "Professional" if that matters.

they're doing a rolling out, so try again later.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by seth_at_kagi »

diggan wrote: post #215

I'm not sure how to access this, both the link in the top right inside Kagi and from "The direct link to the Assistant" ( https://kagi.com/assistant ) from the docs, just lead me back to the same docs page. Anyone know what's going on and seeing the same issue? I'm on the "Professional" if that matters.

Hey - We're doing a phased rollout over the next few days. Currently we've rolled out to all US regions - and we plan to enable more very soon! (as soon as today - if everything seems right!)

We'll also be sending out a toast message to everyone once it's globally rolled out.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by basch »

macrocosmos wrote: post #217
basch wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would it cost Kagi anything, if I bring my own keys and all the costs are offloaded to my personal Google/ChatGPT account? I pay them the $10/month and get the Unlimited Pro access (but only to models I subsidize the cost of.) If anything it would save them money to offload my usage to my account vs using up some of their Flash tier quota. It would be ideal for them for LLM access portability to let them offer hi…

I think they might be talking about the cost to the model providers.

Then Google should offer Advanced Portable for $30 that includes being able to plug it into third party services. With some kind of policing to prevent it from being used as the entire backend to a service (for all users) itself.
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