Time to train an "LLM" on it and have it reproduce the source code 1-to-1, so I can use it without a license!
As if any court would accept this. Nice try
And how exactly are you going to prove derivative work?
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OpenAI is basically betting the existence of the company on that. Meta is betting the existence of their Llama models on it.
I don't think that's true. When chatgpt generates something that infringes (even on something not in the training data) it is still infringement and the output cannot be used by the user for anything they couldn't use the original for. Luckily it doesn't do that often under normal use
But that's the point he tries to make. When you "teach" LLM with some knowledge, you teach it a set of patterns. It won't necessarily drop the code that infringes copyright. Say you load Gumroad code into Gemini Pro context and say something like: "Check this app. Analyze the implementation of feature XY... I need you to help me implement feature XY... but in Go". Then, you can recreate an entire platform that will look nothing like the original but will have the same features and open source it.
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#213Related post: https://danb.me/blog/gumroad-is-not-open-source/
in a chatGPT world, just flip it over to laravel and you're off to the races
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>It is open-source! No, it's not. Please read number 5, it might enlighten you to what people colloquially consider open source, which didn't have a dictionary definition until technical people started using this definition: https://opensource.org/osd >And the fact, people on here don't know that shows people on here don't know the difference. ..What? Do you know what OSS vs FOSS is?
OSD is god and gets to prescribe what is and is not open source? Says who?
The whole idea is that we need a definition that everyone agrees With. The OSD is what the software community at large agreed, so any licences that claim to be open-source are compared to that.
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#215What a joke of a license. This is not open source. Why the fuck is everyone in VC land trying to change the true definition of open source?
Money; the same reason everyone in VC land does anything.
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The "OSD" is not the actual definition of open source. The OSI has no special rights to the term open source (despite their failed attempt to trademark the term). The OSI did not coin the term, their founders did not coin the term, the term was in use to refer to non-commercial software with publicly posted source prior to the OSIs existence. Open source is like any english term, its meaning is defined by its use, no…
All true, but language changes. And today, open source in this context is universally understood to mean software released under a license complying with the OSD. Free software doesn't have to mean "software released under the GPL, MIT, BSD, or other FSF-approved license". And yet, in this context, it universally does.
No it is not.
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#217Are there any other large open-source (not necessarily free) rails codebases?
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How did lose all their equity? You can’t declare equity is worthless. You can raise new rounds with different valuations and dilute previous investors/employees but they would also dilute themselves.
Even if they don't "lose" their equity, it might just turn essentially worthless. Very often "equity" founding staff receives is in the form of (V)ESOP s = (virtual) employee stock options, or other equity grants that only materialize in the case of an "exit event". Depending on how the exit events are specified in the contract, the founder taking the company private (/ divestment from the investors) might have resul…
Yeah so pure grift : if it was really dying then just keep your worthless-percent forever, or get emotionally manipulated into selling for $1 like a sucker
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That's pretty refreshing compared to the average 400 external "partners" your average online t-shirt store has.
Most of those are probably indirect. Same here: Stripe doesn’t issue credit cards or even process transactions itself. It partners with a half-dozen or so credit card networks, and each network partners with thousands of banks around the world.
No, I'm comparing to what you see on the average cookie consent banner [1]. If you dive into the 'manage' option, most e-commerce sites will literally have hundreds of third-parties listed that your data might be shared with. As far as I understand these are all direct integrations, either in the frontend or backend, not indirect - you don't have to ask for permission for companies downstream of your own providers.
[1] we don't get to see most companies codebases, so this is a good indicator of the amount of integrations
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Use the source as inspiration and create something new in a more modern language/framework.
It would be a bad idea to read any of this code if you're working on a competitor based on the license terms.
I would say the risk of a lawsuit is infinitessimal.