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Re: 4o Image Generation

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post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://i.imgur.com/xsFKqsI.png "Draw a picture of a full glass of wine, ie a wine glass which is full to the brim with red wine and almost at the point of spilling over... Zoom out to show the full wine glass, and add a caption to the top which says "HELL YEAH". Keep the wine level of the glass exactly the same."

Can't replicate. Maybe the rollout is staggered? Using Plus from Europe, it's consistently giving me a half full glass.

Maybe it's half empty.

Re: 4o Image Generation

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post #194
post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://i.imgur.com/xsFKqsI.png "Draw a picture of a full glass of wine, ie a wine glass which is full to the brim with red wine and almost at the point of spilling over... Zoom out to show the full wine glass, and add a caption to the top which says "HELL YEAH". Keep the wine level of the glass exactly the same."

Can't replicate. Maybe the rollout is staggered? Using Plus from Europe, it's consistently giving me a half full glass.

Is it drawing the image from top to bottom very slowly over the course of at least 30 seconds? If not, then you're using DALL-E, not 4o image generation.

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post #57

> Introducing 4o Image Generation: [...] our most advanced image generator yet Then google: > Gemini 2.5: Our most intelligent AI model > Introducing Gemini 2.0 | Our most capable AI model yet I could go on forever. I hope this trend dies and apple starts using something effective so all the other companies can start copying a new lexicon.

Every step of gradient descent is the best model yet!

Re: 4o Image Generation

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post #57

> Introducing 4o Image Generation: [...] our most advanced image generator yet Then google: > Gemini 2.5: Our most intelligent AI model > Introducing Gemini 2.0 | Our most capable AI model yet I could go on forever. I hope this trend dies and apple starts using something effective so all the other companies can start copying a new lexicon.

Maybe they used AI to come up with the tag line.

Re: 4o Image Generation

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post #205

Anyone else frightened by this? Seeing meant believing, and now that isnt the case anymore...

This specifically? No. We’ve been on this path a while now.

The general idea of indistinguishable real/fake images; yeah

Re: 4o Image Generation

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post #104

What's important about this new type of image generation that's happening with tokens rather than with diffusion, is that this is effectively reasoning in pixel space. Example: Ask it to draw a notepad with an empty tic-tac-toe, then tell it to make the first move, then you make a move, and so on. You can also do very impressive information-conserving translations, such as changing the drawing style, but also stuff l…

It still can't generate a full glass of wine. Even in follow up questions it failed to manipulate the image correctly.

The question remains: why would you generate a full glass of wine? Is that something really that common?

Re: 4o Image Generation

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post #162
post #104

What's important about this new type of image generation that's happening with tokens rather than with diffusion, is that this is effectively reasoning in pixel space. Example: Ask it to draw a notepad with an empty tic-tac-toe, then tell it to make the first move, then you make a move, and so on. You can also do very impressive information-conserving translations, such as changing the drawing style, but also stuff l…

> What's important about this new type of image generation that's happening with tokens rather than with diffusion That sounds really interesting. Are there any write-ups how exactly this works?

Would be interested to know as well. As far as I know there is no public information about how this works exactly. This is all I could find:

> The system uses an autoregressive approach — generating images sequentially from left to right and top to bottom, similar to how text is written — rather than the diffusion model technique used by most image generators (like DALL-E) that create the entire image at once. Goh speculates that this technical difference could be what gives Images in ChatGPT better text rendering and binding capabilities.

https://www.theverge.com/openai/635118/chatgpt-sora-ai-image...

Re: 4o Image Generation

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post #104

What's important about this new type of image generation that's happening with tokens rather than with diffusion, is that this is effectively reasoning in pixel space. Example: Ask it to draw a notepad with an empty tic-tac-toe, then tell it to make the first move, then you make a move, and so on. You can also do very impressive information-conserving translations, such as changing the drawing style, but also stuff l…

It also would mean that the model can correctly split the image into layers, or segments, matching the entities described. The low-res layers can then be fed to other image-processing models, which would enhance them and fill in missing small details. The result could be a good-quality animation, for instance, and the "character" layers can even potentially be reusable.
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