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If you get the chance, always run more extra network fiber cabling

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Re: If you get the chance, always run more extra network fiber cabling

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I notice that non US English-speaking tend to use the term CBD instead of downtown, my assumption is that it is because of the NYC thing you mention

British people would say city centre or town centre. Australians are the ones who say CBD.

New Orleans seems to like giving directions relative to it's CBD (just south of the French Quarter). It's otherwise not common here in the US.

Re: If you get the chance, always run more extra network fiber cabling

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> In my experience they’re better built and more reliable (longer lasting and lower failure rate. n=1000s of modules) than first-party Cisco optics And for the typical price of a Cisco optic you can buy two third-party optics. So now you have a spare. :)

From the last quote I got, I could buy almost 10 third-party Fs.com optics for the price of a Cisco OEM optic ($2,500 vs $250). And the FS.com seem to be manufactured more durably. And have a lower failure rate.

Personally I prefer Flexoptix for two reasons.

First, they are reprogrammable. They will send you a free programming box with your first order if you agree to a public testimonial on their website. Support are also very responsive if you need new codings they'll try to work with you to find something that works (they can push new codes to your coding box).

Second, more recently, they have the option to choose "not made in China". They sell both China and what they call "S2 Origin" which is any of Germany, Thailand, Taiwan, Vietnam and Malaysia.

Only downside is if you are buying for personal use you won't be able to buy from Flexoptics. They only sell to companies. (They do have a small number of resellers though, so you might have more luck with indirect sourcing for personal purchases ... you won't get a free programming box tough).

Re: If you get the chance, always run more extra network fiber cabling

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Yeah, we got a new house built 4 years ago and one of the biggest regrets is not enough ethernet outlets (running fibre in the house isn't practical yet) and power outlets in various places. It is really hard to think of all the places you would want them ahead of time unfortunately and as each has a cost you don't want to incur it unnecessarily. But my biggest regrets were: - Only a single ethernet port in the basem…

"(running fibre in the house isn't practical yet)" What does that mean? I assume you are saying most builders don't offer fiber? Running fiber in a house is entirely practical and easy to do. Cheap as well.

Might as well, but most end devices you’d want to connect would be copper. Most devices I physically connect are poe anyway. Sure my nas and desktop are fibre/10g, but my aps are all Poe copper, my laptop is copper unless I break out my dongle (although it’s rare ok not on wifi), my backup pihole is copper (I like having a second dns server in case the main vm on the nas fails)

Re: If you get the chance, always run more extra network fiber cabling

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In a home buildout, running fiber is surprisingly inexpensive and easy to do. There is one area to watch out for - In most US homes drywall is installed with screws that go into studs so if you have large bundles of wire or fiber be careful how the sit relative to the surface of the studs. Often the drywall screws will be off by a bit an miss the stud. If you wire bundle is large enough and it is a 2x4 wall vs a 2x6…

Nail plates.

Screws should _never_ be able to hit the wiring. If that's possible, someone failed to install nail plates or Smarshield sleeves.

As for the sharp corners, IMHO you should always install a raceway of some sort (everyone just uses smurf tube), then pull the fiber in afterward. It takes real effort to fuck up the bend radius of conduit.

Re: If you get the chance, always run more extra network fiber cabling

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Cat6 is twenty years old and still entirely usable today in a residential setting.

Even cat5 is not only usable but will probably give you 5gig or higher.

Dunno about m-gig, but I don’t like 10g copper as the power use is so extreme. I go for 1g copper or 10g fibre.

Re: If you get the chance, always run more extra network fiber cabling

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Yeah, conduit makes sense. The future in homes - from this current vantage point - is likely all wireless via multiple APs around the house that have short range but very high bandwidth. Only us power users will have wired ethernet.

Wireless will _never_ have the bandwidth nor wall-penetration people want. If it has the latter all the neighboring houses / apartment units will bleed through, and if it doesn't even the limited frequency domain won't be enough unless you're in the same room as an AP that doesn't penetrate walls... at which point everyone will want drops running to the rooms they stay in anyway. Yeah, conduits with pull strings and…

99% of people don’t need the bandwidth. Of devices that can really benefit (mainly games consoles assuming your upstream connectivity is enough to cope), how many even have a copper port nowadays?

Re: If you get the chance, always run more extra network fiber cabling

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IMO a not-tiny house should have several sub-panels: Kitchen (enough to run the big stove + ~100A, but every outlet it's own 20A circuit), 'lab' / workshop (same idea), laundry room (lock-out breaker near / in room for connecting / disconnecting), etc. A family member who's doing better in life than I am purchased a house built within the last 5 years, and it didn't even _have_ Ethernet run anywhere. WHY!?! I can't f…

> A family member who's doing better in life than I am purchased a house built within the last 5 years, and it didn't even _have_ Ethernet run anywhere. WHY!?! I can't fathom how it's possible anyone would find that a negative. I'm less sure. Are there any 40 year old cables that you'd consider a positive in your house today? 20 year old cables? I wouldn't be too excited about having a house full of Coax, 10Base-T, a…

20 years is not that long ago.

30 years ago I was pulling cat5 into office building ceilings. Some of it is still there, still relevant. GigE runs just fine over it (most of it turned out to meet cat5e spec anyway), and very few applications on the desktop need more than gig.

Conduit is always better, but cat5 has proven to have a surprisingly long relevance.

Re: If you get the chance, always run more extra network fiber cabling

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> If running a few at home, I suggest to run ... that can have around 12 fibers in them, plenty of future expansion. What kind of home network needs 12 fibers on a single run!?

I ran fiber when I built my house a few years ago. I have MANY 12 fiber runs going to my IDF/MDFs, Server room, the gate, the dmarc, etc. I also ran SM fiber to every AP location. Out of 20 miles of pulls about 1 mile was fiber.

Why not copper with PoE to the APs? You still have to get power to AP somehow.

Re: If you get the chance, always run more extra network fiber cabling

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Maybe in an apartment. In a house, you want wired backhaul on access points, and wired streaming devices.

Why? Is this an actual problem? I have a bunch of wired connections (or at least had) but I'm not sure I ever saw a difference and I'm certainly not going to spend time or money retrofitting them for some Platonic ideal--ADDED, at least in recent years or outside of specific situations.

WiFi is convenient and (usually) cheaper (esp if it's a retrofit), but not deterministic. And less 'cluttered' I guess, if that's your pet peeve. All sorts of things can muck around with Wifi speed, reliability and latency and most people have little or no ability to troubleshoot it effectively.

I retrofit wired my house[1] about 20 years ago; I only have had a small handful of issues with it in that time (all basically mechanical fatigue of jacks). If I have speed, latency or connectivity issues, I can be reasonably sure the last thing I have to debug is the physical network.

[1] Copper, not fiber, but no runs are over 50m. Works to 10G so far. I used a Leviton residential structured wiring system (network, coax and phone at the time; the last 2 long since obsoleted). I did a lot myself since I'd done enough quality time in datacenters to be adequately proficient with low voltage Cat5. Not cheap but not extravagant.

Re: If you get the chance, always run more extra network fiber cabling

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Well, conduit plus multi-cell innerduct to make it easy.

First I've heard of this! What's the advantage, in your experience?

It’s easier to pull new cables in a conduit through an empty cell of innerduct than it is to pull a new cable through a conduit with existing cables already in it. It tends to be used for fiber conduits.

Here’s a product I’ve purchased for my electricians to install: https://www.maxcell.us/shared-downloads/cp145_MaxCell_Edge_D...

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