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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by npteljes »

GaggiX wrote: post #10

Youtube is the real tough one to replace, BiliBili is probably the only one that comes close to it and it's Chinese.

Yes, truth is, networks have no replacement. At the end of the day, social sites live and die by the circles of people that are there.

One way out of this would be if content creators would en masse upload to multiple sites. Even with preferential treatment for YouTube, this would enable consumers to follow their favorite creators outside of YouTube, and get the same content. Of course, this onus is now on the creators, and I imagine they have enough to manage as it is. So what they would need is a good incentive. But that is people, and as long as they have enough people on YouTube, there is no incentive to diversify. So we're back at the network effect.

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Post by Tenoke »

phtrivier wrote: post #49

The very interesting question will then be : how many people _do_ switch ? For the personnal tools, people have lots of leeway (change mail provider, search engine, ai chatbot, etc...) For the enterprise, I really wonder how you defend a "let's migrate our infra from AWS to X" in general, even for technological reason or business reason ; I don't even know how you start a conversation like "aws works fine for us, but…

>"let's migrate our infra from AWS to X"

We migrated to Scaleway pretty easily and the main argument was that it's easier to conform to EU regulations if all your servers and data are on an European cloud.

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Post by simion314 »

logifail wrote: post #20
avh02 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why would Europeans not like it? edit: aha, misread the comment, i read it as, roughly: "europeans would not like it if americans start looking at the european alternatives", not "looking at alternatives to european products" - yes, i agree, Europeans would not like that.

"In 2022, 692,334 new EU-made cars were exported to the US, worth €36bn ($37bn; £30bn). While only 116,207 new US-made cars went in the opposite direction, for €5.2bn." https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq8kn5v37wxo

And now look at the tech sector, things might balance out, EU buys software and services USA buys cars and wine.

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Post by mixermachine »

lupusreal wrote: post #198
csomar wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> hus forcing EU to invest in their own tech & military, thus becoming a competitor to the US products. Not sure how you made the jump here. EU is signalling increased military spending but there isn't really much talk about tech (beyond reddit-like enthusiasm which leads nowhere); which is funny because the top referrals for this site are .. american companies themselves. That being said, increased spending doesn't…

Europe has cutting edge domestic military tech in almost all relevant categories but don't build enough of it to matter because until recently their people and governments haven't taken defense seriously. Europe doing so now is good for America because it reduces the risk of Americans once again dying in yet another European war.

Is selling less product good for US defense companies?

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Post by tossandthrow »

lupusreal wrote: post #198
csomar wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> hus forcing EU to invest in their own tech & military, thus becoming a competitor to the US products. Not sure how you made the jump here. EU is signalling increased military spending but there isn't really much talk about tech (beyond reddit-like enthusiasm which leads nowhere); which is funny because the top referrals for this site are .. american companies themselves. That being said, increased spending doesn't…

Europe has cutting edge domestic military tech in almost all relevant categories but don't build enough of it to matter because until recently their people and governments haven't taken defense seriously. Europe doing so now is good for America because it reduces the risk of Americans once again dying in yet another European war.

Last time Nato's article 5 was invoked it lead to Europeans dying in US wars.

We need to go back to WW2 for you comment to have any value.

I think Americans can thank themselves and nobody else for their people dying in wars.

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Post by ffsm8 »

bad_user wrote: post #61
oulipo wrote: post #36

Honestly I had long not wanted to do it, but now I started to get a server on Hetzner ($4/mo) and install Dokploy ( https://github.com/Dokploy/dokploy ) `curl -sSL https://dokploy.com/install.sh | sh` and then you have tens of templates for alternative self-hosted websites that you can use (Hoarder for bookmarks, ownCloud to replace Dropbox, etc) I'm not going to keep putting all my notes and personal data in the han…

Self-hosting hundreds of GBs of data isn't feasible, you also need backups and it's a terrible idea for most people. Hetzner does provide managed Nextcloud instances. For bookmarks, I recommend Linkding: https://linkding.link

The amount of storage isn't the issue unless you're taking about 10++ terabytes.

The things that's interesting is how you're accessing and writing to it - depending on that, it might indeed be infeasible to do everything yourself as an individual.

A "cloud" storage like next cloud with only 1-3 users? That's not gonna become a problem, while the base configuration with backups will likely take you a weekend, it's not that hard.

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Post by pjc50 »

notTooFarGone wrote: post #195
_7acn wrote: post #97

For me personally, it’s completely irrelevant. As a European, I feel exactly the same kind of “connection” to Europe as I do to the USA. It’s a different story when it comes to the country I live in. If a local (national) product is comparable to a foreign one, I’ll usually choose the local one. But all this EU vs USA fuss means nothing to me. I often choose American products simply because they’re the best.

It's often also not about the ethical, "vibe-based" decision. There are serious consequences that can happen in a trade war. Digital Services are how the U.S. makes billions of profits from the EU. In a trade war it is possible that digital services are hit with tariffs as it would hurt the most. This will not happen with EU products.

Also the now non-zero possibility of an actual conflict if the threats to invade Canada and Greenland aren't complete bullshit. (Which is the only defence Trump supporters have for those statements, of course)

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Post by radicalbyte »

lupusreal wrote: post #198
csomar wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> hus forcing EU to invest in their own tech & military, thus becoming a competitor to the US products. Not sure how you made the jump here. EU is signalling increased military spending but there isn't really much talk about tech (beyond reddit-like enthusiasm which leads nowhere); which is funny because the top referrals for this site are .. american companies themselves. That being said, increased spending doesn't…

Europe has cutting edge domestic military tech in almost all relevant categories but don't build enough of it to matter because until recently their people and governments haven't taken defense seriously. Europe doing so now is good for America because it reduces the risk of Americans once again dying in yet another European war.

The latter is true only if America take a measured, stepped approach to pulling out of Europe. Something I, as a European, have been wanting to happen since 2003. It's insane that we let the US dictate our foreign and trade policy and they only reason we do is because of German fears of rearming.

Doing so rashly? That vastly increases the chances because it encourages Russia to do something in the 3-5 year timeframe.

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Post by defrost »

epolanski wrote: post #194
goodcanadian wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I grew up on a farm. Farmers as a class are not stupid, at least no more so than any other group of people I've dealt with. They do have different interests and priorities than city dwelling people which tend to be better represented by traditionally conservative parties, but that is not an absolute. In Canada, historically, farmers were also responsible for the social credit movement ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

> Farmers as a class are not stupid Yet in my lifetime I have seen them consistently go or vote against their own interests (see Brexit which absolutely gutted British farmers which overwhelmingly voted against "evil EU rules").

The difference between UK farmers voting numbers for Brexit and the general UK population voting numbers for Brexit was ~ 1% .. within the margin of error and shows that farmers overall voted much as the general UK population did.

Given the smaller absolute number of farmers, their vote carried less significant weight than many other blocs.

~ https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fv...

~ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S074301671...

Face it, the UK population as a whole voted against their own interests, there's no justification to single out UK farmers as being somehow different to the UK population and more deserving of blame.

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