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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by mdp2021 »

greatpatton wrote: post #199
JeremyNT wrote: post #169

Flagged, of course, to death. This is an important story of US decline. This woman was here to do business. To work with Americans. If you're flagging this because you're a part of the tech right, who thinks these policies are somehow good for you, maybe hold off on that flag button and let the discussion play out here. Think about what happens if people from the rest of the world are terrified of working within this…

I think I will just skip HN in the future. The number of relevant post to tech and business in the US now that are getting flagged is becoming ridiculous.

Let me offer my approval (over the argument, not necessarily about the conclusion). It is not just about assessing reality, but _there is_ a large and greatly important component of, simply, assessing reality!

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Post by otikik »

sebstefan wrote: post #47

>I was taken to the nurse’s office for a medical check. She asked what had happened to me. She had never seen a Canadian there before. When I told her my story, she grabbed my hand and said: “Do you believe in God?” >“I believe God brought you here for a reason,” she said. “I know it feels like your life is in a million pieces, but you will be OK. Through this, I think you are going to find a way to help others.” You…

> Keep your god out of work!

That is very easy to type from the comfort of your home on your mobile phone.

After several days of deprivations and hardships, including sleeping in a fully-lighted cold cell without even a blanket, you will get any help and support that you can get.

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Post by stephen_g »

blindriver wrote: post #21

Yes. This is the reality of how it is. It’s unfair that this woman was caught in this but CBP have ultimate power crossing the border can be scary. My friend got her visa stripped and given a 10 year ban under Obama because of jokes in her text messages about a GC marriage. She didn’t get thrown in jail but she was refused entry back into the US and had to get someone to sell all her stuff while she flew back to her…

The offshore detention we do here in Australia is abominable, but it’s not accurate to say it’s “if you overstay your visa”, it’s generally only used for people who can’t be deported for whatever reason (usually around asylum claims, being stateless, etc.).

If you just overstay a visa you will just be deported fairly quickly, you aren’t going to go into offshore detention…

That’s not a defence of the practice, offshore detention should absolutely be abolished, it’s just worth being accurate.

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Post by transcriptase »

BizarreByte wrote: post #176
transcriptase wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The specifics are seemingly irrelevant to everyone. She had her work visa revoked at the Canadian border because her company in California was allegedly making THC beverages in violation of federal law. She was told to visit a consulate to straighten it out. Instead she flew to Mexico and tried to enter there with new and obviously fake job offer. She was treated like anyone else would, but it’s international news be…

Again I do not care. The US has done more than enough to instill fear in Canadians like me. Would you travel to a country where its leader is constantly making threats against your country, some as serious as repeatedly calling for your annexation? The current US administration has made it very clear how it feels about me and my countrymen. I don't consider the US safe and I do not need someone to americansplain to m…

I am Canadian. I’ve been to the U.S. a hundred times and nothing has really changed to make me blink at continuing to go. I have friends and family who work and vacation there, and it’s the same for them as it’s always been.

The Canadian media and Canadian businesses have been drumming up fear and patriotic rhetoric to drive domestic industries. That’s great - the last 10 years of “Canada is a post-national state with no culture or identity” narrative that Trudeau championed wasn’t doing us any favours anyway.

Trump may be a buffoon and what he’s doing is clearly not acceptable with respect to Canada, but to fear visiting or considering the U.S. unsafe when it’s objectively far safer than visiting any all-inclusive hotspot in the Caribbean that Canadians are still flocking to like they do every winter is, well, removed from reality.

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Post by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF »

jmyeet wrote: post #170
Swoerd123 wrote: post #14

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The Democratic Party loves nothing more than doing nothing and losing elections. Doing things risks upsetting donors. When you don't have power, it's easy to promise progressive policies that you have zero chance of enacting (eg Kamala Harrais was for Medicare-for-all in 2019 [1]). They are the controlled opposition party [2]. Trump advertized everything he was going to do and is now doing [3], despite briefly distan…

> Not every Trump voter is a Brownshirt either. Many are simply working people who have legitimate grievances, abandoned by the Democratic economic policies

To clarify, Trump has not been good economically for the working class

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Post by blindriver »

ssijak wrote: post #151
blindriver wrote: post #21

Yes. This is the reality of how it is. It’s unfair that this woman was caught in this but CBP have ultimate power crossing the border can be scary. My friend got her visa stripped and given a 10 year ban under Obama because of jokes in her text messages about a GC marriage. She didn’t get thrown in jail but she was refused entry back into the US and had to get someone to sell all her stuff while she flew back to her…

"It’s even worse in other countries." It's not. I take you are comparing to western countries. If you have a valid visa and behave even remotely normal to the border agents you will have no issues. Only in the USA some border agents have the attitude of "I'm gonna get you" or making you feel unwelcome for no reason. Hell, even in "authoritarian" countries like UAE or Quatar I never experience anything but pleasant in…

You are ignorant about how life is crossing into other countries. In the 1990s, my friend who is a white Canadian drove into Buffalo for dinner with his family, and on his way back the Canadian border patrol asked him where he was going. He answered “Canada” instead of Toronto and based on that they detained him for hours and ripped apart his car.

Just recently a woman from the UK was denied entry into Canada and because of that was denied entry back into the US and found herself in the same mess as the person in the article.

This happens all the time, you just don’t hear about it until the news decides to make a thing about it.

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Post by adamc »

01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #144
twUewhag wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks, the EU is full and has enough immigrants. Why should EU citizens pay outrageous rents, compete against the whole world with their degrees, get lower wages and have prime property bought up by Chinese and Russian oligarchs? (This does not mean that people should be treated brutally at the border.)

Guess I'll die, can't find a country that will take me and my partners

I hate this new world and the rise of selfishness.

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Post by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF »

elephanlemon wrote: post #200

“All of these women told me that they had been detained for time spans ranging from a few weeks to 10 months.” Is this an error or was some of this going on during the previous administration?

It's always been bad, but the difference is that Republicans want it to be bad and get worse. They delight in cruelty and anyone who doesn't see that has been sold a lie

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Post by mandmandam »

greatpatton wrote: post #199
JeremyNT wrote: post #169

Flagged, of course, to death. This is an important story of US decline. This woman was here to do business. To work with Americans. If you're flagging this because you're a part of the tech right, who thinks these policies are somehow good for you, maybe hold off on that flag button and let the discussion play out here. Think about what happens if people from the rest of the world are terrified of working within this…

I think I will just skip HN in the future. The number of relevant post to tech and business in the US now that are getting flagged is becoming ridiculous.

It is ridiculous, extremely so. It's also bizarre, disturbing, and honestly kind of demeaning. Not to mention dangerous, for the tech community and many more.

And it is very likely being condoned right from the top. Garry Tan is a big DOGE fan on Twitter, as is PG.

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Post by diggan »

sebstefan wrote: post #47

>I was taken to the nurse’s office for a medical check. She asked what had happened to me. She had never seen a Canadian there before. When I told her my story, she grabbed my hand and said: “Do you believe in God?” >“I believe God brought you here for a reason,” she said. “I know it feels like your life is in a million pieces, but you will be OK. Through this, I think you are going to find a way to help others.” You…

As an atheist, I too stopped and re-read that particular section to think how I felt about it.

In the end, we don't know the motivation of the nurse. Could be that the nurse isn't even religious herself, which is why she asked if Mooney believed in god first, and since Mooney said she does, the nurse tried to help her mentally in a way that spoke to her. If Mooney said she didn't believe in god, the nurse might have said something else.

I say this because as an atheist who used to work in elder-care, I've had many conversations with very religious old people, where I "play their game" because they respond better to it, and seemed happy about it. Even if I don't believe in god, talking with people as if I did, just makes sense in situations where people seemed to have lost all hope.

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