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Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by DidYaWipe »

Zardoz84 wrote: post #175
serbuvlad wrote: post #169

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Nah, it's just corporate greed on apple's part. They want to sell you both the MacBook and the iPad. Apple is the only major notebook manufacturer which still doesn't offer touch on any of their notebooks. Yes, Windows 8 was a failure, but Windows 10 and 11 are successful products and they are also built around touch + m&k. GNOME and KDE on Linux also support touch input. Take a look at this device: https://rog.asus.…

Windows 10/11 it's a shit show. The last good Windows was 8.1. And the last great Windows was 7.

No; the last great Windows was XP.

7 started the regression in earnest, especially in the GUI.

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Post by quitit »

matwood wrote: post #164
drdaeman wrote: post #86

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My understanding is that the post is essentially a complaint about deceptive marketing. iPads are marketed as capable of "doing all the things you love", how it's "so versatile it's up to any task" and so on - leading to perception that it's like a computer, except in a different form factor. While, in reality, of course it's not. Personally, I never found any subjectively meaningful use case for iPads except for por…

Apple is marketing to everyone and not just the HN crowd. For many people their phone is their only computing device and for them an iPad is likely a big upgrade. When I have to proof photos or do a bunch of office type work, an iPad has become my goto device. When I'm programming, not so much. But I don't think that's a big secret to this crowd.

Are you telling me people use computers for different reasons? No I won’t believe it. My specific workflow is all that is important and if that doesn’t fit to every form factor of device out there, then the manufacturer of that device is a fraud who is deliberately trying to spite me.

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Post by MattPalmer1086 »

DidYaWipe wrote: post #200
Jenk wrote: post #172

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Win8's UI was terrible because Microsoft are terrible at UI, not because of the duality.

They ARE terrible. They used to be very good at it. Microsoft advanced GUIs more through the '90s than anyone else. Tidy, efficient, and still innovative. Windows 95 through XP pretty much nailed down most of what a GUI needs. Microsoft has since abandoned essential practices that make GUIs work, in addition to abandoning taste and organization. Windows is a sorry shitshow of defective design and defective function.…

Pretty much everything Microsoft did in the 90s with GUIs was just playing catch up with Apple.

My first job in 1990, we had a load of PCs running DOS, and one Mac with a GUI and which also played sound and could read laserdisks (as I recall). Changing the error sound to "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that" never got old.

Windows 95 just about got to feature parity with the Mac 5 years later. It was really nice, but not exactly massively innovative.

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Post by fsflover »

officeplant wrote: post #10
fsflover wrote: post #2

> Will we have just two mobile OSes? We already have an alternative. Sent from my Librem 5 running GNU/Linux.

Unfortunately my Pinephone is rather dusty at this point.

The difference between them is significant, I have both. Also try SXMo DE.

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Post by 0_____0 »

DidYaWipe wrote: post #202
mullingitover wrote: post #140

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It's really a fundamental design limitation of iOS/iPadOS (same thing, let's face it). It's ground-up a super efficient, wonderful media consumption platform. It's really good for media consumption, like so much so it's kind of a problem . So I think the metaphor still fits, in that sure the ebike has a crazy engine but the tires don't have the contact patch to make the engine nearly as useful. The problem is the UI…

Pretty much nailed it. Touchscreen devices are not for creating; they're for taking what you're given. They require big fat buttons for big fat fingers, which you poke like a trained pigeon to get your food pellet.

Largely true, although I'm still blown away when I read about someone who has written whole pieces of software from their phone, on their bus ride to work or something.

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Post by fsflover »

dangus wrote: post #29
fsflover wrote: post #24

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It all depends on your use case. I'm using Librem 5 as a daily driver.

Isn't that kind of a cop out answer? I'm sure it's a great daily driver for someone who wants to do almost nothing on their phone. I mean we are talking about a $800 phone with no 5G modem. That's already a dealbreaker just from a carrier spectrum allocation aspect alone. This is a phone that will not get as good of a connection to do basic things like make calls and exchange texts/images/vidoes compared to any other…

> I'm sure it's a great daily driver for someone who wants to do almost nothing on their phone.

It has a full desktop Firefox with all addons, for one. Can your phone do that? See also: https://forums.puri.sm/t/nine-months-librem-5-as-my-only-pho..., https://forums.puri.sm/t/a-l5-review-1-week-to-my-ready-to-s...

> no 5G modem

What exactly do you get out of 5G? Watching 4k videos live?

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Post by mjlee »

davemp wrote: post #133
onceler wrote: post #120

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Except in this metaphor, the "ebike" has en engine as powerful as a new "landcruiser", and attachment points that could allow quickly/easily adding extra seating or cargo capacity. That such a thing seems absurd illustrates how poorly the metaphor fits. The only reason that "iPads are just unserious computing devices for real work" is because Apple chooses to limit them. I have a laptop which I only rarely use as a l…

Let’s not pretend that Apple could come up with some sort of dual windowing system (or just dual boot) scheme. We’re not limited by drive space anymore. They don’t because it would hurt macbook sales.

What do you mean by dual windowing system? If you mean having multiple windows open at the same time the iPad does support that either simply having two windows sharing the screen (Split View/Slide Over), or having multiple windows on the built-in and external monitor that you can move around (Stage Manager).

I would love to be able to run a linux VM on my iPad though, it would make travel so much simpler for me. I know there are hacks to get it going with UTM etc. but there are too many compromises for my use case.

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Post by nehal3m »

Kwpolska wrote: post #182

I don't understand how the author managed to connect iPads running a toy operating system with Microsoft's serious business operating system not being supported on older hardware.

The connection is these vendors are artificially restricting users from running the software they want on their own hardware.

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Post by goosedragons »

trog wrote: post #147
davemp wrote: post #133

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Let’s not pretend that Apple could come up with some sort of dual windowing system (or just dual boot) scheme. We’re not limited by drive space anymore. They don’t because it would hurt macbook sales.

Maybe they don't because they've seen what happens when Microsoft tried to build an OS that was both touch screen and mouse & keyboard.

Apple has already done that to iPadOS. It's not the best either. Honestly if they just let you run a full speed Mac VM, even if it was only while a KB/M was attached it would be a massive massive improvement.
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