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Re: Apple M3 Ultra

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Post by k8sToGo »

re-thc wrote: post #166
dylan604 wrote: post #117

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That’s what’s weird to me too. It’s not like they would lose sales of macOS as it is given away with the hardware. So if someone wants to buy Apple hardware to run Linux, it does not have a negative affect to AAPL

> So if someone wants to buy Apple hardware to run Linux, it does not have a negative affect to AAPL It does. Support costs. How do you prove it's a hardware failure or software? What should they do? Say it "unofficially" supports Linux? People would still try to get support. Eventually they'd have to test it themselves etc.

We used to have bootcamp though.

Re: Apple M3 Ultra

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Post by dylan604 »

AndroTux wrote: post #138
dylan604 wrote: post #121

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That makes sense to me though. If you don’t run iOS, you don’t have App Store and that means a loss of revenue.

If you don't run macOS, you don't have Apple iCloud Drive, Music, Fitness, Arcade, TV+ and News and that means a loss of revenue.

As I replied in else where here, I do not run any Apple Services on my Mac hardware. I do on my iDevices though, but that's a different topic. Again, I could be the edge case

Re: Apple M3 Ultra

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Post by Spooky23 »

dwighttk wrote: post #32
ksec wrote: post #22

Previous model of M2 Ultra had max memory of 192GB. Or 128GB for Pro and some other M3 model, which I think is plenty for even 99.9% of professional task. They now bump it to 512GB . Along with insane price tag of $9499 for 512GB Mac Studio. I am pretty sure this is some AI Gold rush.

Maybe .1% of tasks need this RAM, why are they charging so much?

With all things semiconductor, low volume = higher cost (and margin).

The people who need the crazy resource can tie it to some need that costs more. You’d spend like $10k running a machine with similar capabilities in AWS in a month.

Re: Apple M3 Ultra

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Post by simonw »

pmarreck wrote: post #200
InTheArena wrote: post #92

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No native docker support, no headless management options (enterprise strength), Limited QoS management, lack of robust python support (out of the box), interactive user focused security model.

> lack of robust python support There is no such thing. Tell me, which combination of the 15+ virtual environments, dependency management and Python version managers would you use? And how would you prevent "project collision" (where one Python project bumps into another one and one just stops working)? Example: SSL library differences across projects is a notorious culprit. Python is garbage and I don't understand w…

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(Not saying Apple should bundle that, but it's the best current answer to running many different Python projects without using something like Docker)

Re: Apple M3 Ultra

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Post by dylan604 »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #154
bigfishrunning wrote: post #130

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Except the linux users won't be buying Apple software, from the app store or elsewhere. They won't subscribe to iCloud.

Those buying the hardware to run Linux also aren’t writing software for macOS to help make the platform more attractive.

There are a large number of macOS users that are not app software devs. There's a large base of creative users that couldn't code their way out of a wet paper bag, yet spend lots of money on Mac hardware.

This forum looses track of the world outside this echo chamber

Re: Apple M3 Ultra

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Post by NorwegianDude »

InTheArena wrote: post #55
ksec wrote: post #22

Previous model of M2 Ultra had max memory of 192GB. Or 128GB for Pro and some other M3 model, which I think is plenty for even 99.9% of professional task. They now bump it to 512GB . Along with insane price tag of $9499 for 512GB Mac Studio. I am pretty sure this is some AI Gold rush.

Every single AI shop on the planet is trying to figure out if there is enough compute or not to make this a reasonable AI path. If the answer is yes, that 10k is a absolute bargain.

Not much to figure out. It's 2x M4 Max, so you need 100 of these to match the TOPS of even a single consumer card like the RTX 5090.

Re: Apple M3 Ultra

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Post by diggan »

internetter wrote: post #158
diggan wrote: post #90

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43243075 ("Apple's Software Quality Crisis" - 1134 comments) ^ has a lot of elaborations on this subject

This is more about "average" end user software, not the type of software that would be running on a machine like this. Yes their applications fell off, but if you're paying for 512gb of RAM apple notes being slow isn't the bottleneck

Lack of focus on quality of software affects all types of workloads, not just consumer-oriented or professional-oriented in isolation.

Re: Apple M3 Ultra

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Post by dylan604 »

k8sToGo wrote: post #211
re-thc wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So if someone wants to buy Apple hardware to run Linux, it does not have a negative affect to AAPL It does. Support costs. How do you prove it's a hardware failure or software? What should they do? Say it "unofficially" supports Linux? People would still try to get support. Eventually they'd have to test it themselves etc.

We used to have bootcamp though.

There you go using logical arguments in an emotional illogical debate.

Re: Apple M3 Ultra

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Post by tuananh »

but is it actually usable for anything if it's too slow.

Has anyone has a ballpark number how many tokens per second we can get with this?

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