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How the U.K. broke its own economy

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So, 500,000 birds out of 250,000,000? Aka 0.2% of birds. How many birds do coal power plants or other power sources kill?

Real number is well above that. Everyone involved in bird conservation agrees this number is a fraction only reported for public consumption - real number is well into the millions. You can ask organizations like ABC birds.

Everyone agrees? I don't agree.

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So, 500,000 birds out of 250,000,000? Aka 0.2% of birds. How many birds do coal power plants or other power sources kill?

Real number is well above that. Everyone involved in bird conservation agrees this number is a fraction only reported for public consumption - real number is well into the millions. You can ask organizations like ABC birds.

I doubt everyone agrees on anything. If you have contrary numbers please just save all of us the time and share them.

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"The cheapest source of energy" trope again. Intermittent energy (electricity) != on demand electricity.

Cheapest source is accurate. It may not eliminate the need for expensive LPG, but reducing the amount needed is still a massive benefit to the economy.

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The last government intentionally banned the cheapest source of energy, onshore wind, from being built in England, by making it so that a single complaint could stop a project. I cannot believe this article talks about planning constraints and energy prices and doesn't mention that.

"The cheapest source of energy" trope again. Intermittent energy (electricity) != on demand electricity.

the denial of capacity factor makes me want to tear my hair out

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The last government intentionally banned the cheapest source of energy, onshore wind, from being built in England, by making it so that a single complaint could stop a project. I cannot believe this article talks about planning constraints and energy prices and doesn't mention that.

"The cheapest source of energy" trope again. Intermittent energy (electricity) != on demand electricity.

Wind Energy, like Solar Energy can be stored in Battery Energy Storage Systems to provide reliability to the grid in the event of shortages.

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post #161

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"The cheapest source of energy" trope again. Intermittent energy (electricity) != on demand electricity.

Cheapest source is accurate. It may not eliminate the need for expensive LPG, but reducing the amount needed is still a massive benefit to the economy.

Check out "The Price is Wrong" by Brett Christophers[1]. It explains at length that what matters is not price, but how profitable an investment is. And how wind and PV don't look great without subsidies in various guises.

1. https://www.amazon.com/Price-Wrong-Capitalism-Wont-Planet/dp...

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Turns out Thatcherism only works as long as the state still has assets to sell off. The delusion that assets would stay in the hands of the working and middle class, and not end up with the wealthy inheriting class, has to be one of the biggest political failures of our government on the modern era. It's lead to the possible death of the Conservative Party if they fail to fight off Reform and the Liberal Democrats.

> Turns out Thatcherism only works as long as the state still has assets to sell off. Thatcherism works as long as there are still people receiving state assistance, since their assistance can be reduced even further.

Also works if you have North Sea oil revenues that you can use to pay for mass unemployment.

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Aren't these also massive mass bird slayers ? The last I read, over half a million birds were killed (official under-estimate) by wind turbines in UK alone every year

You are going to freak out when you find out how many birds are killed by buildings generally. But you might want to sit down before i tell you how many are killed by cats.

And all of those numbers pale in comparison in how we cruelly we treat birds used in the food supply chain (eggs, chicken etc).

The recent kurzsesagt video is a great intro to the topic ( https://youtu.be/5sVfTPaxRwk)

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Cheapest source is accurate. It may not eliminate the need for expensive LPG, but reducing the amount needed is still a massive benefit to the economy.

Check out "The Price is Wrong" by Brett Christophers[1]. It explains at length that what matters is not price, but how profitable an investment is. And how wind and PV don't look great without subsidies in various guises. 1. https://www.amazon.com/Price-Wrong-Capitalism-Wont-Planet/dp...

You distribute pv and wind over large areas and they get destroyed by weather, get dirty, require significant maintenance. If individuals want to have wind turbines or pv installations that's great - but these things are a giant mess at grid scale - absolutely awful.

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"The cheapest source of energy" trope again. Intermittent energy (electricity) != on demand electricity.

Wind Energy, like Solar Energy can be stored in Battery Energy Storage Systems to provide reliability to the grid in the event of shortages.

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