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Crossing the uncanny valley of conversational voice

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Re: Crossing the uncanny valley of conversational voice

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I made some restaurant reservations, it worked.

I see, I guess it was never a standalone product then, from reading a Reddit post, it’s a feature built into assistant. Thanks, solves a mystery for me.

It was never real. They even admitted they used real people for the service. It was a scam.

Also, that would be quite hard to pull today, 2025, after transformers etc. There's absolutely no chance they were sitting on that back in 2018.

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When I meet people in VR who are ESL, I can tell based on their accent and mannerisms that they learned English by playing video games with westerners or watched a lot of YouTube. Do we really want to dilute the uniqueness of language by making everyone sound like they came out of a lab in California?

Your post is the language learning equivalent of worrying that going to the gym will make you too bulky.

haha yeah it definitely comes off grand schemey and overly idealistic but it’s hard not to have emotional reactions to new applications in AI

Re: Crossing the uncanny valley of conversational voice

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Hey, it’s Brendan from Sesame. The feedback is spot on. We still have so much to do to make it good. Inspiring but still many steps away from a great experience. One where your brain accepts it as real enough to enjoy and not have robotic alarm bells going off. Today, we’re firmly in the valley, but we’re optimistic we can climb out. Verbal communication is complex. There’s a big list of interesting challenges to tac…

I read a bunch of comments in here before doing the demo. I wasn’t expecting much but was very impressed! Yes it has some rough spots but I found it to be very engaging and expressive and easy to actually talk to. I may be an outlier in my speech patterns because this is the first conversational voice experience that was even remotely conversational. Great job!!! Can’t wait to see where this goes!

Re: Crossing the uncanny valley of conversational voice

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I see, I guess it was never a standalone product then, from reading a Reddit post, it’s a feature built into assistant. Thanks, solves a mystery for me.

It was never real. They even admitted they used real people for the service. It was a scam. Also, that would be quite hard to pull today, 2025, after transformers etc. There's absolutely no chance they were sitting on that back in 2018.

I know people who worked on it. It was real. They used real people for some calls, in some cases, but a vast majority of calls made through the system with 100% automatic.

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What ever did you tell ChatGPT so it responded with "lmao"? I told it that it should behave explicitly like a computer in the system prompt, sort of worked.

After multiple prompts and utterly garbage output: https://i.imgur.com/5aOARCV.png I'm almost positive that some AI systems have a backend that analyzes the sentiment of your messages and if you threaten to cancel billing it will notice your defcon-1 sentiment and spin up some more powerful instances behind the scenes to tide you over. This is actually much more stressful than working without any AI as I have to deco…

> After multiple prompts

It generally maintains the tone you set. Remember that it outputs most likely tokens based on the system prompt of its owners + your system prompt + the whole conversation. If OpenAI and default system prompt tell it that it's a helpful cheerful secretary/assistant, you get best results if you talk to it "professionally".

I heard you could make Claude say "kurwa" a lot while helping you program in Go if you convince it that you want a conversation with your ziomek Seba from your backyard with whom you like to share kebab and browar, so there goes.

Re: Crossing the uncanny valley of conversational voice

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The burden of proof is on the argument that they _are_ reasoning, and I have seen very little evidence that they do. It's also immediately clear to me when I look at the architecture of transformers that reasoning is not in the cards. I could be convinced otherwise if, again, someone showed me an indication of reasoning behavior. Since there is no such evidence and the systems theory approach tells me it does not rea…

> It's also immediately clear to me when I look at the architecture of transformers that reasoning is not in the cards. I'm not saying that's incorrect, but thb that's exactly the tautology I was talking about!

That's not a tautology. That's the summary of the argument itself. If you want to know more, then a good reason why it can't be reasoning is that there is no evaluation of the truth value of any statement at any point, only the likelihood of the statement being found in the training set. This evaluation has no relationship with truth.

If no statement is ever evaluated, it's not logical reasoning, because logical reasoning requires the evaluation of truth values of statements.

Re: Crossing the uncanny valley of conversational voice

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I also think it didn't feel very "real". Trying too hard to sound upbeat and too eager to please, maybe it's just me being European but it makes me go "ewww, that's not how normal people speak".

That's american office culture for you. If it was australian it'd be drab, boring, and self-flagellating

No, I think it's a sign of it being a fake human. It sounds more like someone trying to speak like an influencer or podcaster and not being very good at it.

Re: Crossing the uncanny valley of conversational voice

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It was never real. They even admitted they used real people for the service. It was a scam. Also, that would be quite hard to pull today, 2025, after transformers etc. There's absolutely no chance they were sitting on that back in 2018.

I know people who worked on it. It was real. They used real people for some calls, in some cases, but a vast majority of calls made through the system with 100% automatic.

Source: trust me, bro.

Meanwhile, the CEO of the f company admitted it was false, but sure, you know better ;).

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