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I found a backdoor into my bed

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Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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post #7

Using the aquarium chillers is really smart! Just need someone to mfg the mattress membrane covers.

I'd love to be wrong about this, but I'm very skeptical that the aquarium chiller pictured in the post can move enough heat to cool a human. As mentioned in the article, it uses thermoelectric coolers which are extremely inefficient.

I see at least one aquarium chiller on amazon that uses a compressor, but then you have to wonder if it's quiet enough to sleep next to.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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post #55

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I’m still fairly upset that ambient devices never really took off. Nanoleaf at least made a remote like this. It’s a dodecahedron with an accelerometer, so you can program each face with a different setting. The simplest being to program opposing faces for two different light levels. You want to take a nap, turn the controller upside down.

That sounds cool, but I'm a little resistant to being asked to remember to charge my lightswitch.

Could maybe be made low enough power that it can power itself via ambient light (like an old school calculator) or radio waves.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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post #43

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> It won’t function if the internet goes down Come on. We can improve that! The next version of the bed will go into carnivorous mode if the subscription lapses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXrAK6sUZ_0

I'm thinking a Thomas Midgley, Jr.[0] mode. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.#Death

Wikipedia seldom disappoints on this kind of thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventors_killed_by_th...

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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- They can know when you sleep - They can detect when there are 2 people sleeping in the bed instead of 1 - They can know when it’s night, and no people are in the bed I'm probably naive, but I'm failing to see how any of this is exclusive to having remote SSH access to the bed. Who's to say this isn't already happening with other binaries in the firmware? Maybe they're already phoning home? [...]that bypasses all fo…

I think what he's trying to emphasise is the idea that anyone who's part of the engineering team could spy on you, without anyone else knowing. It's bad enough that the company has this data, sure, but there's at least an assumption that it will be secured and penalties can be enforced if not. Some random engineering being able to look into your life intimately by themselves is a completely different level of violation.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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post #32

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In addition to everything else, also love how a bed with the express purpose to increase sleep quality requires you to open your phone every time you want to adjust a setting.

> In addition to everything else, also love how a bed with the express purpose to increase sleep quality requires you to open your phone every time you want to adjust a setting. Don't worry, they'll repeat over and over how their product was thoughtfully designed with exquisite craftsmanship by the re-animated corpse of Johnny Ive [1] until people believe it's true. [1] I know he's not dead. Also... > ... Essentially…

I'm sure they do use a prefab thermoelectric assembly model that they designed their case around. It's usually cheaper.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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post #211
post #7

Using the aquarium chillers is really smart! Just need someone to mfg the mattress membrane covers.

I'd love to be wrong about this, but I'm very skeptical that the aquarium chiller pictured in the post can move enough heat to cool a human. As mentioned in the article, it uses thermoelectric coolers which are extremely inefficient. I see at least one aquarium chiller on amazon that uses a compressor, but then you have to wonder if it's quiet enough to sleep next to.

Same, though I've seen thermoelectric chillers of that size moving ~200 Watt and a human produces less than 100 Watt at rest. The ones I saw on Amazon for $150 claimed to move around 70 Watt which is ballpark useful. You wouldn't want to cool down to a very low temperature anyway, just remove the heat you produce yourself.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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post #98

> In the end, I got enough of the cyber ick, I decided to seek a simpler, less internet-connected solution to my temperature-controlled bed needs. Great line. And my eyes bugged out a little at this part as I also realized what the implications were: > - They can know when you sleep > - They can detect when there are 2 people sleeping in the bed instead of 1 > - They can know when it’s night, and no people are in the…

Mozilla does something like that, privacy reviews of consumer products: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

#219
post #195

I looked really hard at buying an 8 Sleep. I have techie friends who swear by them. But one of the big reasons I didn't go forward I don't see mentioned here and that is noise. I need a dark and quiet room to sleep. Someone told me they returned their 8 sleep because of the constant fan noise of the computer running the thing. He told me it was like having a server in your bedroom. I am also not keen at all needing t…

If your goal is just collect sleep data, I personally use my Withings Scanwatch with a leather bracelet,

But if you're not willing to keep a watch while you're sleeping they have "Sleep analyzer" that you put under your bed to collect Sleeping data, but I never tried it !

The link : https://www.withings.com/eu/en/sleep-analyzer

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

#220
post #166

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>The market is clearly too stupid to vote against the rent seeking tech industry. It makes me so sad. It is a $2000 dollar internet connected bed. The market in this case is probably people who could wipe their ass with that $20 every day and not miss it. I don't think they are stupid. This class of Americans has always been about paying for ongoing service instead of being pragmatic or doing things themselves. "Let…

One might argue that the market itself becomes "stupid" (stops accurately indicating value) when people have so much money that they stop caring about how they spend it.

Anyone who has risen through social classes knows that poorer people use their money much more wisely than richer people :)
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