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> Our government is almost schizophrenic in its attitude to encryption. Of course: it's not a monolithic entity. It's a composite of different parts that have different goals an interests.
And yet if I steal your money and refuse to give it back, or let you steal it back, you'll call that hypocritical. What does the size of an entity have to do with whether this is idiotic or not?
While Apple did the right thing by refusing to give the UK government a backdoor, they are responsible for getting users in this situation in the first place.
I'm not familiar with the iPhone and maybe there is already an alternative to iCloud ADP, although that would make this whole situation completely nonsensical.
Yikes... looks like Apple sun is setting. This cannot be allowed to happen.
I'm going to start purging anything I store on the cloud. I'm not doing anything illegal, but why does the government want to treat me like I am.
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Why do pro-privacy tech folks on here act like Apple is some charity? Apple is a business. It won't fight a citizen's fight on your behalf. It is on citizens to use their democratic power to ensure their representatives act as the voting base wants. Apple's goal is to make money. The government is a representation of your will.
> Apple is a business. It won't fight a citizen's fight on your behalf. Being a business does not remove ethical considerations. And I’m an environment where corporations are considered people, it seems reasonable to expect some degree of alignment with normal citizens. > Apple's goal is to make money. The government is a representation of your will. The government is increasingly not a representation of the collecti…
Ok, I am not very technical. Can someone help me understand this. I don't have Advanced data Protection on. Does that mean UK Gov can see my data now?
Ok, I am not very technical. Can someone help me understand this. I don't have Advanced data Protection on. Does that mean UK Gov can see my data now?
Potentially. It really just means your data is stored unencrypted, so anybody that has access to Apple's servers can access your data. I don't believe any government has open access to Apple's servers, but they can get a warrant.
Now I don't see any reason why I shouldn't turn ADP on. Turning on now.
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How? In the UK, there's no right to bear arms, so people are pretty helpless against their oppressing government.
I'm sure shooting at the government would have solved this privacy issue.
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> abide by the laws and regulations of the countries that they operate in. In this case, the UK is seeking to use local law to change what is allowable on an international basis. That's a bit different than a nation controlling the law on their own soil.
That was Apple's interpretation : That to comply with what the UK requested they would have to have the same thing everywhere. But of course that is nonsense, and Apple could theoretically have a nation-specific backdoor (e.g. for accounts in a given country a separate sequestered decryption key is created and kept in escrow for court order). I mean, Apple "complied" by disabling ADP just in the UK. They undermined t…
Organizations like the EFF do not agree.
> most concerning, the U.K. is apparently seeking a backdoor into users’ data regardless of where they are or what citizenship they have.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/02/uks-demands-apple-brea...
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> Doesn't the US have access to all the data of non US citizens whose data is stored in the US without any oversight? Er, no...? I'm not sure where you get that idea. Access requires a warrant, and companies are not compelled to build systems which enable them to decrypt all data covered by the warrant. See, for example, the Las Vegas shooter case, where Apple refused to create an iOS build that would bypass iCloud s…
I asked if your Android backup is encrypted. Implies I'm talking about unencrypted data. > See, for example, the Las Vegas shooter case I am not in Las Vegas or anywhere else in the US. So as far as i know all the data about me that is stored in the US is easily accessible without a warrant unless it's encrypted with a key that's not available with the storage. > companies are not compelled to build systems which ena…