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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by magicalhippo »

mirsadm wrote: post #143
gambiting wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>(XC40 T8 EV). Such model doesn't exist. Do you mean XC60? And if so then it's not an EV, it's a PHEV. Anyway, Volvo made a collosal mistake of going with the Android Automotive operating system. It looks good but it's genuienly a pile of steaming crap. When Volvo had Sensus(their own OS) yeah it wasn't pretty but it was stable and it worked day in day out. I have a 2020 XC60 T8 with sensus and I literally have had…

I disagree with that. I really like the Android infotainment system because 1) voice control actually works and 2) built in Google maps is all I want in a car and they work very well. As far as I can tell the issues they have had is with their poor software engineering team and picking extremely mediocre hardware that is too slow to run it.

My Renault Megane e-Tech has Android and it was far better than whatever the other cars used.

One point Renault did right was use beefy enough hardware. They went[1] with an automotive Qualcomm Snapdragon, while it seems Volvo and others went with an Intel Atom.

All I know is it's smooth like a good tablet.

While voice recognition is not perfect in Norwegian, it was also by far the better one. A lot of room for improvement though, like if I say "call Merete" it won't find my contact named "Merethe", which is pronounced exactly the same here.

[1]: https://9to5google.com/2021/09/06/android-automotive-renault...

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by gambiting »

randunel wrote: post #121
gambiting wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>(XC40 T8 EV). Such model doesn't exist. Do you mean XC60? And if so then it's not an EV, it's a PHEV. Anyway, Volvo made a collosal mistake of going with the Android Automotive operating system. It looks good but it's genuienly a pile of steaming crap. When Volvo had Sensus(their own OS) yeah it wasn't pretty but it was stable and it worked day in day out. I have a 2020 XC60 T8 with sensus and I literally have had…

XC40 was renamed to EX40 in 2024 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_XC40 .

There is an EX40, that's the EV model. But the XC40 still continues to be sold:

https://www.volvocars.com/uk/cars/xc40/

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by EdwardDiego »

musikele wrote: post #165

Let's remove Musk from the equation, because you can like or (most probably) hate him, but I own a Tesla and I have the opposite experience. Everything worked out of the box. Just one piece of hardware started to fail (the charger plug making some noise) and they changed it in warranty. First: has the author tried a tesla before buying one? I'd never buy a car without trying it. Because comparing it to a Clio just be…

The Musk aspect is pertinent in the respect that he's mythologised for his innovation in Tesla and SpaceX while his detractors state that he merely bought into innovative companies, and they had to actively manage him to minimise his interference.

So in one view, he is indeed the guru of legend, and is responsible for the successes of Tesla and SpaceX, so a good candidate to refactor the federal government.

However, if he's responsible for their success, he's responsible for their failure. And this is a massive failure in manufacturing, in quality control, in after-sales service, and in just plain ol customer service.

But, if he's just a canny investor and his best companies succeed by insulating the company from him, then why the fuck is he touching the federal govt systems?

As for "buying a car in a country with no service" - the parts shortage looks to be global, so local market wouldn't help that.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by zoover2020 »

dignick wrote: post #178

I bought a model Y in ‘22. I had some initial problems like a creaky back seat and the floor popping like a jam lid, but after a few service visits those were resolved and since it has been very reliable and even gained nice new features like matrix headlights which avoid oncoming vehicles. It’s a great car to drive. However, when it received the holiday update with Apple Watch support, and I paired my watch, it star…

The issue with these reliability tests is that they operate on old(er) models. At the end of 2023, the Model 3 was upgraded during a refresh. It roughly received 40% new parts, and is a substantially better value-for-money.

Clearly there are still some things to iron out, and I personally know folks with a few problems in the new model, but as a 2024 M3 owner with zero problems I hate the one-sided online communication surrounding this.

I'm not condoning Elon's behavior at all, but this vehicle is such an insane value for money especially with EV rebates and such. Purely saying Tesla is bad quality is such an easy trope, especially if you have never driven in one

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Post by Hamuko »

richardw wrote: post #164
conradfr wrote: post #64

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It's funny to me to buy a domain name just for that.

Imagine how much your customers have to hate you to do this.

The .sucks TLD is supposed to be for the express purpose. In reality, it's a way to extract anywhere from $250/year onwards from companies to not have tesla.sucks in the wild.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

jemmyw wrote: post #191
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #118

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I'm afraid a lot of the tech is either necessary by law or necessary to get a decent safety rating these days, so you can't make the simple cars from yesteryear. Now, screens aren't required by law or safety ratings, but there's no getting around having a lot of software in there, and thus a screen to configure all that stuff.

Reversing cameras are required by law and they need a screen.

And are required by law because people with big SUVs kept running over their own children when backing out of driveways.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by bzzzt »

gambiting wrote: post #111
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

>>(XC40 T8 EV). Such model doesn't exist. Do you mean XC60? And if so then it's not an EV, it's a PHEV. Anyway, Volvo made a collosal mistake of going with the Android Automotive operating system. It looks good but it's genuienly a pile of steaming crap. When Volvo had Sensus(their own OS) yeah it wasn't pretty but it was stable and it worked day in day out. I have a 2020 XC60 T8 with sensus and I literally have had…

> yeah it wasn't pretty but it was stable and it worked day in day out.

I've driven a V40 with Sensus for 10 years and noticed a 'watchdog reboot' while driving _twice_. Which means the map goes out and comes back in a few seconds; the digital gauges run another OS (QNX I believe) and remain rock solid...

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by lisp2240 »

nxm wrote: post #163
lisp2240 wrote: post #152

Knowing Tesla’s reputation for unreliable products and poor customer service how did you nazi this coming?

Data says otherwise: https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s...

> Data from over a thousand Tesla Model 3 owners…

It’s bullshit

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by AndrewDavis »

I've been contemplating buying a new car. BYD are a popular brand for electric cars in Australia. A single titbit in a review turned me off[1].

> To start with, the Dolphin falls victim to a speed limit warning system with no tolerance and a chiding beep that will quickly drive you insane.

The car has cameras to read speed signs and if it detects you are speeding beep at you. Sounds like a great feature! What's the problem if you aren't speeding?

> To make matters worse, the Dolphin is equipped with equally flawed traffic sign recognition technology that takes all speed limit signs at face value, ignoring the time stipulations common in school zones and busy shopping hubs.

Oh ... we have some speed signs that have time qualifiers, eg lower speeds around schools near start and end of school, or busy shops etc.

> It’s one thing to have a car bother you for breaking the speed limit, but another altogether for a car to unnecessarily distract you during safe, lawful driving. Rant over… for now.

> You can switch the system off, just not permanently. Settings revert to their default state every time you switch the car off, so setting up ADAS becomes a time-consuming daily ritual.

Absence of a feature is often far superior to a broken one.

[1] https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-reviews/2025-byd-dolphin-re...

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by mometsi »

caseyy wrote: post #182
viraptor wrote: post #83

How can we help people not get into those situations? At this point it's trivial to find information like: if you buy Tesla you've got a decent chance of issues; if you use PayPal as a seller there's a decent chance they'll take your money; if you use godaddy there's a chance they'll steal/ransom your domain on expiry; etc. It's all out there, yet people still give them money. How can this be stopped in the first pla…

Consumer protection laws. Almost every company has known issues with it. But consumers should have boundaries for what's acceptable and what crosses the line. And those boundaries are set by consumer protection laws. If every wronged customer can sue the seller due to a clear breach of the law, then the seller/manufacturer quickly falls in line and stops being a nuisance to society.

Mandatory binding arbitration will still be an issue.

Maybe pack those pseudocourts by registering a huge roster of consumer-oriented arbitrators?

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