Nokia's internal presentation after iPhone was launched (2007) [pdf]

Post by 7thaccount » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 3:24 PM UTC

jorvi wrote: post #177

bombcar wrote: post #143

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Was this around the time Microsoft kept switching what "windows phone" was? I remember that the one friend who got into it loved it, and then they released something completely incompatible and he abandoned the platform.

If memory serves, it was a custom kernel and OS, then a semi-custom kernel with a few OS components shared with Windows 8, and then the Windows 10 'core' kernel (same as on the Xbox One?) with many shared OS components. At each step they left the majority of devices behind. What was equally worse was the triple (quadruple?) switch of app frameworks. If I remember correctly it was a dotnet abomination, then ?? then WP…

Post by tmnvdb » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 3:26 PM UTC

deskr wrote: post #91

If you strip this text to the bare-bones meaning, it reads: "Holy shit, we're f'cked, but here is the best positive spin we can put on it." They saw the writing on the wall. They didn't want to compete on that level, but rather try to kill it. From "summary of actions": "5. Kill market for such an expensive device by filling mid-range with own/Google/Yahoo experiences"

Post by delusional » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 3:27 PM UTC

jorvi wrote: post #177

bombcar wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was this around the time Microsoft kept switching what "windows phone" was? I remember that the one friend who got into it loved it, and then they released something completely incompatible and he abandoned the platform.

If memory serves, it was a custom kernel and OS, then a semi-custom kernel with a few OS components shared with Windows 8, and then the Windows 10 'core' kernel (same as on the Xbox One?) with many shared OS components. At each step they left the majority of devices behind. What was equally worse was the triple (quadruple?) switch of app frameworks. If I remember correctly it was a dotnet abomination, then ?? then WP…

Post by ndiddy » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 3:27 PM UTC

smitty1110 wrote: post #111

turnsout wrote: post #82

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This is spot-on, and it's a remarkably common pattern when dominant players are faced with a seismic shift—even when it comes from within. Kodak essentially invented the modern digital camera, and had a phenomenal lead going into the 90s. It was not a little side project—they hired IDEO to do vision work, design enclosures and create on-camera UIs. They poured money in, and did ship products. I'd love to know what ha…

I worked with an ex-Kodak guy, and he related the following story to me from the 80’s or early 90’s. Xerox was kicking their ass, they were completely owning the copier market. But it was a natural fit for Kodak, they knew imaging better than everybody, why couldn’t they get into this market? This guy was on a crack team of engineers a VP assembled to create a competing product. 9 months later, they demo a fully digi…

Post by tmnvdb » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 3:29 PM UTC

lifefeed wrote: post #83

I cant find the quote and article now, but I read that before it was released no one else believed a computer like that could have any reasonable battery life. Then they opened it up and discovered the iPhone was really just a battery with a small logic board attached to it, and a lot of the heavy computational lifting was done when it connected to your computer.